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Supported a comment by Deborah Eisinger on
Main Library Campus
1 year, 11 months ago
Commented on Main Library Campus
1 year, 11 months ago
Thomas, you make a good point about the design. I was appalled that the city had not seemingly had a plan for The Cabin until after a public outcry. The Cabin was informed the day before the plan was unveiled, then the city was 50% under on the expense of moving. I would guess they were simply going to raze the building. The city has been asked about library patrons having to pay for parking, they "hope" the first two hours will be free. There are a number of disadvantaged (not necessarily homeless) people who have vehicles and spend a good bit of time at the library, they can't afford parking,
Supported a comment by Paul Shaffer on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Paul Shaffer
Nampa Public Library, Garden City Public Library, Eagle Public Library, Ada Community Library, TVCC, all have Kanopy video streaming available for the patrons. But Boise PL does not. Why? I looked into this a little, and was told by the BPL PTB that "we looked into it and couldn't keep up with demand." It's not in their fiscal year budget. Go ahead, request Kanopy at BPL and you will be extremely shut down. Kanopy video streaming is carried by many public libraries and universities all over the country. If they can afford it, why not Boise? Are they Just saving their pennies for the new (and awesome) main library construction? At what point does the old bricks and mortar building model have less relevance than the quality of the online product offerings? See Kanopy.com for more information.
Nampa Public Library, Garden City Public Library, Eagle Public Library, Ada Community Library, TVCC, all have Kanopy video streaming available for the patrons. But Boise PL does not. Why? I looked into this a little, and was told by the BPL PTB that "we looked into it and couldn't keep up with demand." It's not in their fiscal year budget. Go ahead, request Kanopy at BPL and you will be extremely shut down. Kanopy video streaming is carried by many public libraries and universities all over the country. If they can afford it, why not Boise? Are they Just saving their pennies for the new (and awesome) main library construction? At what point does the old bricks and mortar building model have less relevance than the quality of the online product offerings? See Kanopy.com for more information.
Supported a comment by April LOrange on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 2 months ago
April LOrange
Okay, I think we've about accomplished what we can accomplish through online discourse. We all see the questions that never get answered. I think we need to speak to the planning department in person, and based on that, begin bending the ear of individual councilpeople. I'm going to try and schedule a face-to-face with the appropriate person in the planning department, whoever that turns out to be. I have a list of questions and concerns (already posted elsewhere on this board) I'll take with me. I've added bird strikes to it. I'll report back with any findings.
Any of y'all know how to contact folks privately through this board? If we're going to approach city councilpeople individually, it might be useful to coordinate, but really doesn't belong on this board.
Okay, I think we've about accomplished what we can accomplish through online discourse. We all see the questions that never get answered. I think we need to speak to the planning department in person, and based on that, begin bending the ear of individual councilpeople. I'm going to try and schedule a face-to-face with the appropriate person in the planning department, whoever that turns out to be. I have a list of questions and concerns (already posted elsewhere on this board) I'll take with me. I've added bird strikes to it. I'll report back with any findings.
Any of y'all know how to contact folks privately through this board? If we're going to approach city councilpeople individually, it might be useful to coordinate, but really doesn't belong on this board.
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 2 months ago
Diane Plastino Graves
I find the City's responses routinely superficial. The Library and the stadium will be the largest taxpayer-funded municipal projects in our City's history (the airport's capital projects are paid for by user fees and Airport Revenue Bonds) yet City Hall will not allow a vote? And puts up a defense that efforts to force a vote on large City and CCDC expenditures are anti-Boise? Nothing could be the truth: Citizens' desires to have a say in these huge projects--that they will pay for extensively--is pro-Boise.
I find the City's responses routinely superficial. The Library and the stadium will be the largest taxpayer-funded municipal projects in our City's history (the airport's capital projects are paid for by user fees and Airport Revenue Bonds) yet City Hall will not allow a vote? And puts up a defense that efforts to force a vote on large City and CCDC expenditures are anti-Boise? Nothing could be the truth: Citizens' desires to have a say in these huge projects--that they will pay for extensively--is pro-Boise.
Commented on Main Library Campus
2 years, 2 months ago
Thank you, Tammy. A screen, for glare? Whaaat?
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 2 months ago
Diane Plastino Graves
The new classroom there has impacted usage of the west side of The Cabin. The Garden with the Rose Beal Tree at the Anne Frank Memorial was found recently to be very close to the new Lubrary building scheme. So the City is moving the new Library footprint back to protect the tree.
The new classroom there has impacted usage of the west side of The Cabin. The Garden with the Rose Beal Tree at the Anne Frank Memorial was found recently to be very close to the new Lubrary building scheme. So the City is moving the new Library footprint back to protect the tree.
Commented on Main Library Campus
2 years, 2 months ago
Thank you for your reply. I mentioned building costs when I compared Missoula's new library, that city has secured contracts so there will be no surprises at the end. However, Boise was 50% low in the projected cost of moving The Library, that gives me little confidence. Many of us have expressed concern about the expansive glass and possible bird strikes, glare and damage to materials. We were told this is being taken into consideration, yet have heard nothing for months. If design changes will be made, that just may effect building expenses. Has the city secured any guaranteed contracts from builders in order to keep this within $85-80 million?
Commented on Main Library Campus
2 years, 2 months ago
Oh my gosh, Diane, that is important information, thank you. I have family in Missoula, MT., one is a librarian. They are also building a new library, there has been some controversy, but the city has included the community in every aspect, including passing a bond vote. A very significant detail is the costs have been locked in for quite a while, I have no doubt Boise is not going to be able to keep cost within the margin they promised.
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 2 months ago
Diane Plastino Graves
And it is important to note that the Salt Lake City and Seattle libraries, often touted as similar to Boise's plan, both received a bond levy vote from the citizens, which has been denied to date by our City Hall. By my count, this and the stadium will be the largest taxpayer-funded projects in the City of Boise' history. If we vote for fire stations, foothills preservation, and school bonds, we deserve the right to vote on these extremely large projects.
And it is important to note that the Salt Lake City and Seattle libraries, often touted as similar to Boise's plan, both received a bond levy vote from the citizens, which has been denied to date by our City Hall. By my count, this and the stadium will be the largest taxpayer-funded projects in the City of Boise' history. If we vote for fire stations, foothills preservation, and school bonds, we deserve the right to vote on these extremely large projects.
Supported a comment by E.B. Schofield on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 2 months ago
E.B. Schofield
Complaints versus serious concerns and unanswered questions regarding the true costs and the impact on all taxpayers are two different issues. Although supporters of this project state there are no new taxes, that does not mean your existing taxes will not be increased to cover this very long-term debt, including an as yet unkown amount of transaction fees and interest for the Lease Financing component.
Complaints versus serious concerns and unanswered questions regarding the true costs and the impact on all taxpayers are two different issues. Although supporters of this project state there are no new taxes, that does not mean your existing taxes will not be increased to cover this very long-term debt, including an as yet unkown amount of transaction fees and interest for the Lease Financing component.
Supported a comment by April LOrange on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 2 months ago
April LOrange
We aren't complaining about *a* new library. We're complaining about *this particular design*. What is functional in Salt Lake City won't be here, due to differences in climate and orientation. What's beautiful in Salt Lake City, where they've built quite a bit from pale stone, sticks out like a store thumb in an area made of red brick. Accept that we aren't anti-LIBRARY. Meet us halfway, and let's talk about how to meet the needs of our community at large, not the able-bodied folks who drive to Salt Lake City in particular.
We aren't complaining about *a* new library. We're complaining about *this particular design*. What is functional in Salt Lake City won't be here, due to differences in climate and orientation. What's beautiful in Salt Lake City, where they've built quite a bit from pale stone, sticks out like a store thumb in an area made of red brick. Accept that we aren't anti-LIBRARY. Meet us halfway, and let's talk about how to meet the needs of our community at large, not the able-bodied folks who drive to Salt Lake City in particular.
Commented on Main Library Campus
2 years, 2 months ago
Exactly, April. Many have noted concerns they have with the design and cost of this library, yet our civic input is being considered annoying complaints. I have yet to see the city address these issues, only "we are working on it". Right, the city didn't have it together to announce that The Cabin would be moved until the day before the plan was revealed, they were 50% low on relocation expenses and changed the new location how many times. I have no faith in our city planners, none. It's all about a world-famous architect, look at Salt Lake, we need a library to reflect our fabulous Boise. I think our current library is "nice", the goal seemingly is not an attractive, functional structure, the purpose of a library, but glitz and ego. Form follows function in Boise resulted in JUMP.
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 3 months ago
Tammy Bixby
I still find it extraordinary that 7 applications were turned in and all had included the design plan the only one that did not have a design plan turned in was the only one accepted. I found it when doing my homework interesting councilman Ludwick had stated to the Idaho press that he didn't think it was a good idea for the cabin moved to the maintenance area which of all places would have been the best location for the cabin, he said that it jeopardize in monetizing situation in the future. The city offered the cabin that spot and his cabinet agreed the cabin was later told that spot was being removed off the table obviously because Ludwig felt he would he know the city would stand to make any money by allowing the cabin there so they're willing to spend $650,000 to move the cabin into an unsecured unstable floodplain area which is going to cost more money than $650,000 this is all fascinating
I still find it extraordinary that 7 applications were turned in and all had included the design plan the only one that did not have a design plan turned in was the only one accepted. I found it when doing my homework interesting councilman Ludwick had stated to the Idaho press that he didn't think it was a good idea for the cabin moved to the maintenance area which of all places would have been the best location for the cabin, he said that it jeopardize in monetizing situation in the future. The city offered the cabin that spot and his cabinet agreed the cabin was later told that spot was being removed off the table obviously because Ludwig felt he would he know the city would stand to make any money by allowing the cabin there so they're willing to spend $650,000 to move the cabin into an unsecured unstable floodplain area which is going to cost more money than $650,000 this is all fascinating
Supported a comment by E.B. Schofield on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 3 months ago
E.B. Schofield
City of Boise - What is the actual amount it would cost the City to buy out the lease?
City of Boise - What is the actual amount it would cost the City to buy out the lease?
Commented on Main Library Campus
2 years, 3 months ago
Yes, and how will these mitigating practices address other concerns about potential glare to drivers, heating and cooling costs, and potential damage to materials from exposure to bright sunlight?
Supported a comment by E.B. Schofield on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 3 months ago
E.B. Schofield
City of Boise - Page 4 of the December 13, 2018 Library Meeting Minutes say, "The bird strike issue noted in the previous public comment phase has been resolved and just needs communicated to the public. Two options were provided by Safdi Architects and need to be costed." Why not provide that information ASAP - citizens want to know.
City of Boise - Page 4 of the December 13, 2018 Library Meeting Minutes say, "The bird strike issue noted in the previous public comment phase has been resolved and just needs communicated to the public. Two options were provided by Safdi Architects and need to be costed." Why not provide that information ASAP - citizens want to know.
Supported a comment by Lynette Daudt on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 3 months ago
Lynette Daudt
Lynn, there are enough 1st class places. I moved to Boise to get out of one that was becoming impossible to live in due to entity, traffic, prices, etc. Do you really want Boise to become that? Perhaps sine you are in Realestate (if that's true, taking it from the comment above) perhaps you are driving the cool-aid of your industry that keeps pushing up and up and up. But not everyone in Boise wants it to become NYC, Paris, of SF. Small is beautiful.
Lynn, there are enough 1st class places. I moved to Boise to get out of one that was becoming impossible to live in due to entity, traffic, prices, etc. Do you really want Boise to become that? Perhaps sine you are in Realestate (if that's true, taking it from the comment above) perhaps you are driving the cool-aid of your industry that keeps pushing up and up and up. But not everyone in Boise wants it to become NYC, Paris, of SF. Small is beautiful.
Commented on Main Library Campus
2 years, 3 months ago
Lynn, I believe you are a realtor with a downtown office; if so, you should identify yourself as one who may financially benefit from this project. And, please do not dismiss my concerns with the condescending, "change is hard for some", there are a number of issues that have been brought up with little response from the city. "Amenities"--it is a library--who are you to tell me I will "feel better" once I see all of those wonderful amenities? Indeed. shouldn't those amenities already have been revealed by the city? Perhaps they are bullet points you would include in a real estate brochure, or others would to attract conventions. I go to the library in order to check out books and do a little research, not to gaze over the river from a rooftop cafe.
Commented on Main Library Campus
2 years, 3 months ago
Lynn, you are at an advantage that you live close by, how many current visitors do not? How many will opt to visit a branch library rather than deal with an adjacent parking garage? You use "1st class Library", "world class library", one that will be terrific for those who live in the area, a showpiece for a "1st class 21st Century City". There lies the problem, you are describing a downtown core that is becoming more of a boutique, unfriendly to those of us who drive there. When you use such language, it serves to tell those of us who would prefer a more modest library that suits a wooded river area that we are anachronists. However, we are all paying for this legacy showpiece, one that many in outlying areas will certainly avoid.
Supported a comment by Thomas J Beatty on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 3 months ago
Thomas J Beatty
Unfortunately, moving the Cabin will have little to no impact on parking. I also love the design, but I wish it had come about as the result of a process that incorporated what our new library actually needed. Instead, I believe the architect was shopping his designs around the country and found a willing buyer in the form of the City of Boise. So Boise then has to adapt to the design: The Cabin doesn't quite work with the preconceived design; No problem: We'll just move it. There's no allowance for onsite parking; No problem: We'll sign an agreement with another developer to tear down a school and erect a parking garage/residential building. But the parking is offsite separated by a fairly busy street, will not entirely be free and it's not even on the first floor; well, you can't have everything. I just wish that instead of trying to fit Boise to the design, that we would design a library for Boise. And the way the project has been structured, we don't even get a chance to vote on it.
Unfortunately, moving the Cabin will have little to no impact on parking. I also love the design, but I wish it had come about as the result of a process that incorporated what our new library actually needed. Instead, I believe the architect was shopping his designs around the country and found a willing buyer in the form of the City of Boise. So Boise then has to adapt to the design: The Cabin doesn't quite work with the preconceived design; No problem: We'll just move it. There's no allowance for onsite parking; No problem: We'll sign an agreement with another developer to tear down a school and erect a parking garage/residential building. But the parking is offsite separated by a fairly busy street, will not entirely be free and it's not even on the first floor; well, you can't have everything. I just wish that instead of trying to fit Boise to the design, that we would design a library for Boise. And the way the project has been structured, we don't even get a chance to vote on it.
Commented on Main Library Campus
2 years, 4 months ago
The city said they would work to mitigate bird strikes on all that glass, I have no idea how that will be accomplished.
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 4 months ago
M. Thomas
The timeline tab was recently updated and now shows Spring 2019 for next public input. The wording for that also changed. It used to say something to the effect of giving input on how well architect had incorporated feedback from July open houses. It now says input on further refinement of design.
The timeline tab was recently updated and now shows Spring 2019 for next public input. The wording for that also changed. It used to say something to the effect of giving input on how well architect had incorporated feedback from July open houses. It now says input on further refinement of design.
Supported a comment by Alex Jones on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 4 months ago
Alex Jones
Sure has been quiet. Accountability requires two way communication city folks.
Sure has been quiet. Accountability requires two way communication city folks.
Supported a comment by Pam Brewer on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 4 months ago
Pam Brewer
When are the next design open houses? The city has been awfully quiet except for approving arch fee?
When are the next design open houses? The city has been awfully quiet except for approving arch fee?
Supported a comment by Pamela B. on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 5 months ago
Pamela B.
Boise isn't just downtown. We need libraries in West Boise. Where is the outreach for the other Boise residents?
Boise isn't just downtown. We need libraries in West Boise. Where is the outreach for the other Boise residents?
Supported a comment by April LOrange on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 5 months ago
April LOrange
I agree with M. Thomas about the city reading all the comments. I'm still waiting for a single reply to any of the points I've raised. They only reply when they have a pat answer they feel makes them look good. Real "additional comments and questions" are ignored.
I agree with M. Thomas about the city reading all the comments. I'm still waiting for a single reply to any of the points I've raised. They only reply when they have a pat answer they feel makes them look good. Real "additional comments and questions" are ignored.
Supported a comment by Connie Bollinger on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 5 months ago
Connie Bollinger
I agree completely with Bonnie Zimmerman's comments on Nov. 20. The proposed library is too big and too expensive. Smaller amounts of money should be spent on branch libraries like Bown or Cole and Ustick, which have better access and lots of free parking.
I agree completely with Bonnie Zimmerman's comments on Nov. 20. The proposed library is too big and too expensive. Smaller amounts of money should be spent on branch libraries like Bown or Cole and Ustick, which have better access and lots of free parking.
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 5 months ago
M. Thomas
Great comments. I wish City Council and the Library planning committee would take the time to read through all of the comments here.
Great comments. I wish City Council and the Library planning committee would take the time to read through all of the comments here.
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 5 months ago
Tammy Bixby
Whoohoo..thank you Amy
Whoohoo..thank you Amy
Supported a comment by Amy W on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 5 months ago
Amy W
Agreed, well said. Today is the city council meeting, and their is a petition on change.org
Agreed, well said. Today is the city council meeting, and their is a petition on change.org
Supported a comment by bonnie zimmerman on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 5 months ago
bonnie zimmerman
How many of the in favor of boise spending millions of dollars to highlight boise downtown will ever go to the new library. I live downtown boise. I will go to the library a couple of times a month. My friends and family do not like to come downtown and pay for parking. People from out of town may visit once. We have a library, a history museum, an art gallery, and many locations for conferences. Boise is already a beautiful place, we don’t need someone else’s idea of what we need and what they think is glamorous.we definitely don’t need multiple years of construction ruining the best part of boise, the green belt. What will it look like in a couple of years when we run out of money. It is already too expensive to live in boise,
How many of the in favor of boise spending millions of dollars to highlight boise downtown will ever go to the new library. I live downtown boise. I will go to the library a couple of times a month. My friends and family do not like to come downtown and pay for parking. People from out of town may visit once. We have a library, a history museum, an art gallery, and many locations for conferences. Boise is already a beautiful place, we don’t need someone else’s idea of what we need and what they think is glamorous.we definitely don’t need multiple years of construction ruining the best part of boise, the green belt. What will it look like in a couple of years when we run out of money. It is already too expensive to live in boise,
Commented on Main Library Campus
2 years, 5 months ago
Thank you.
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 5 months ago
M. Thomas
Far too late, and expect the same poorly worded and slanted feedback questions designed to elicit the "positive sentiment" the City is using to justify this project.
Far too late, and expect the same poorly worded and slanted feedback questions designed to elicit the "positive sentiment" the City is using to justify this project.
Supported a comment by Thomas J Beatty on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 5 months ago
Thomas J Beatty
Looking forward to the opportunity to make comments on the Schematic Design in the Spring of 2019. However, I am somewhat fearful that it may be too late for any but minor cosmetic changes, i.e. it appears the current design with NO onsite parking and in direct contrast to the aesthetics of surrounding structures. I would like to see some alternatives to the current design. It's a library, not the Guggenheim museum.
Looking forward to the opportunity to make comments on the Schematic Design in the Spring of 2019. However, I am somewhat fearful that it may be too late for any but minor cosmetic changes, i.e. it appears the current design with NO onsite parking and in direct contrast to the aesthetics of surrounding structures. I would like to see some alternatives to the current design. It's a library, not the Guggenheim museum.
Supported a comment by Alex Jones on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 5 months ago
Alex Jones
Can someone please explain why the city of Boise signed a 45 year lease in 2011 on the property right across 8th St and River St? The library expansion has been on the books since the early 2000s so why did the city give away 1.3 acres to such a long lease? Having this land incorporated into the new library design would alleviate the shoehorn effect and allow space for parking, preservation of the Cabin and the important riparian habitat along the Boise River. This whole library plan needs to go back to the drawing board, because, in spite of the current political climate, use of public funds requires public input and approval. That means open discussion, cost analyses and a public vote on the project. CCDC is not the entity that gets to make up the rules as it goes along anymore.
Can someone please explain why the city of Boise signed a 45 year lease in 2011 on the property right across 8th St and River St? The library expansion has been on the books since the early 2000s so why did the city give away 1.3 acres to such a long lease? Having this land incorporated into the new library design would alleviate the shoehorn effect and allow space for parking, preservation of the Cabin and the important riparian habitat along the Boise River. This whole library plan needs to go back to the drawing board, because, in spite of the current political climate, use of public funds requires public input and approval. That means open discussion, cost analyses and a public vote on the project. CCDC is not the entity that gets to make up the rules as it goes along anymore.
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 5 months ago
Diane Plastino Graves
The election for Mayor, and for McLean, Clegg, and Ludwig is 11/5/19. Recuit and support candidates with another viewpoint. That is the only resolution to all these issues.
The election for Mayor, and for McLean, Clegg, and Ludwig is 11/5/19. Recuit and support candidates with another viewpoint. That is the only resolution to all these issues.
Commented on Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
Can you tell us if CSHQA is being paid from that 11.1 million? Thank you.
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
M. Thomas
$11,185,236 Let that number sink in. $11,185,236 that was buried in a consent item of a nearly 2000 page agenda packet. $11,185,236 is the amount that Boise City Council just approved for Safdie to continue with architectural services on the proposed $103 million library campus. We are reeling in an affordable housing crisis. We are not flush with cash. We do not have the funding for this project just sitting around. Consider this in another perspective. The City is currently contemplating setting up a Land Trust with $20 million - $10 million from City resources, $10 million from philanthropy. While they think about moves like this to address affordable housing, they move full steam ahead on an amenity project by approving an $11.1 million expenditure for architectural plans. Oh, plus a minimum $650,000 to move a historically registered building (The Cabin) to a new site to make way for river views. Shame on you, City of Boise. Shame on you, Mayor Dave Bieter. Shame, shame on you, Council members Lisa E. Sánchez, Lauren McLean, TJ Thomson, Elaine M Clegg, Holli Woodings, Scott Ludwig.
$11,185,236 Let that number sink in. $11,185,236 that was buried in a consent item of a nearly 2000 page agenda packet. $11,185,236 is the amount that Boise City Council just approved for Safdie to continue with architectural services on the proposed $103 million library campus. We are reeling in an affordable housing crisis. We are not flush with cash. We do not have the funding for this project just sitting around. Consider this in another perspective. The City is currently contemplating setting up a Land Trust with $20 million - $10 million from City resources, $10 million from philanthropy. While they think about moves like this to address affordable housing, they move full steam ahead on an amenity project by approving an $11.1 million expenditure for architectural plans. Oh, plus a minimum $650,000 to move a historically registered building (The Cabin) to a new site to make way for river views. Shame on you, City of Boise. Shame on you, Mayor Dave Bieter. Shame, shame on you, Council members Lisa E. Sánchez, Lauren McLean, TJ Thomson, Elaine M Clegg, Holli Woodings, Scott Ludwig.
Commented on Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
If the city had been concerned about "balancing the needs of . . . the greater community good", we would have been presented with options BEFORE this plan had been unveiled. The city would have known costs to relocate the cabin in order to still be used by The Cabin would be closer to twice the amount the city originally pitched. You are correct that this proposal is out of balance--it is all about glossy magazines touting Boise as the nation's convention destination and Bieter's ego. Exactly why the baseball stadium was originally planned so close to downtown rather than the more manageable location now being considered.
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
M. Thomas
Well said! If city leaders were truly invested in maintaining the Cabin's historic designation, there would be no talk of relocating or even encroaching on the Cabin's current space. This entire library campus proposal is out of balance.
Well said! If city leaders were truly invested in maintaining the Cabin's historic designation, there would be no talk of relocating or even encroaching on the Cabin's current space. This entire library campus proposal is out of balance.
Supported a comment by Alex Jones on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
Alex Jones
Of course the Cabin is at risk! The Cabin belongs to the people of Boise...not the literary society that has made the building home for 20+ years... Stop whitewashing this issue. The Cabin needs to stay where it is and the new library design needs to accommodate the historic and VERY local significance of that structure. City of Boise seems committed to the avarice and ambition of developers and their "monetization of things" above any true desire to preserve and protect what has made this city viable. It was the warring factions in past Boise politics that made the downtown a "ghost town" and we are seeing this play out again... the library design is overbearing and the fantasy of Kevin Booer and David Bieter. Lets get some perspective and recognize that the populace is "woke."
Of course the Cabin is at risk! The Cabin belongs to the people of Boise...not the literary society that has made the building home for 20+ years... Stop whitewashing this issue. The Cabin needs to stay where it is and the new library design needs to accommodate the historic and VERY local significance of that structure. City of Boise seems committed to the avarice and ambition of developers and their "monetization of things" above any true desire to preserve and protect what has made this city viable. It was the warring factions in past Boise politics that made the downtown a "ghost town" and we are seeing this play out again... the library design is overbearing and the fantasy of Kevin Booer and David Bieter. Lets get some perspective and recognize that the populace is "woke."
Supported a comment by Ranelle Nabring on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
Ranelle Nabring
Wow, I did not realize that The Cabin had recently undergone ADA upgrades. That's not something to overlook! I really think the design undermines a piece of history and overlooks what many Boiseans hold to be dear about our downtown core. Urban Renewal all over again! Save this jewel and piece of our history!
Wow, I did not realize that The Cabin had recently undergone ADA upgrades. That's not something to overlook! I really think the design undermines a piece of history and overlooks what many Boiseans hold to be dear about our downtown core. Urban Renewal all over again! Save this jewel and piece of our history!
Supported a comment by Paula Benson on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 9 months ago
Paula Benson
The cabin was built as the Forester's Office and its site was specifically chosen because proximity to the river and the trees both reflect the timber history of the State of Idaho. Its location is germane to its original purpose and to its history. The Cabin Writer's Center has programs all over the city and could use another building if it needed to but the the cabin itself would be forever changed if it was moved to another site.
The cabin was built as the Forester's Office and its site was specifically chosen because proximity to the river and the trees both reflect the timber history of the State of Idaho. Its location is germane to its original purpose and to its history. The Cabin Writer's Center has programs all over the city and could use another building if it needed to but the the cabin itself would be forever changed if it was moved to another site.
Commented on Main Library Campus
2 years, 10 months ago
Thank you, Boise City. This is such a vague comment, though I understand it's still early on in planning. I foresee three possibilities: The cabin will be moved east of the Historical Museum and the literacy center will find a new home; The Cabin, including the literacy center, will be moved, which would be costly; the design for the new library will be reconfigured in order to leave The Cabin where it currently rests. Early on or not, I have no doubt the City has its druthers, please keep us closely informed.
Supported a comment by Nicole Patterson on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 10 months ago
Nicole Patterson
As a historic landmark, the Cabin needs to be near the heart of historic Boise. It doesn't work in a new development. Even the big, old trees surrounding the Cabin pay tribute to Boise's past. And what could be better than the mile between the train depot and the Capitol?
The Cabin also needs to be near Boise's cultural landmarks--BAM, the Anne Frank Memorial, Ann Morrison Park, the river and more. Have you ever attended a Cabin program? The kids write in the Cabin but also venture out into nearby blocks for inspiration; they visit JUMP, BAM, the park, the Library! and more. They leverage the close proximity to the diversity of spaces for learning and inspiration. And it's neat to see kids WALKING around and exploring Boise. It wouldn't be right (write?) to board a bus at Cabin camp to visit downtown (and it would increase costs).
Finally, there is something appropriate about the Cabin being on the same site as the library. Cabin writers see the library when they visit (maybe even get trapped in the overcrowded parking lot!). The Library could be the future home for their creations, a place where written words are free and accessible to everyone. Library patrons also see the Cabin--a place where all are welcome to write, to share their stories. The Library! and the Cabin have complementary visions and purposes, and each is better in close proximity to the other.
Do any other Cabin sites meet these criteria?
As a historic landmark, the Cabin needs to be near the heart of historic Boise. It doesn't work in a new development. Even the big, old trees surrounding the Cabin pay tribute to Boise's past. And what could be better than the mile between the train depot and the Capitol?
The Cabin also needs to be near Boise's cultural landmarks--BAM, the Anne Frank Memorial, Ann Morrison Park, the river and more. Have you ever attended a Cabin program? The kids write in the Cabin but also venture out into nearby blocks for inspiration; they visit JUMP, BAM, the park, the Library! and more. They leverage the close proximity to the diversity of spaces for learning and inspiration. And it's neat to see kids WALKING around and exploring Boise. It wouldn't be right (write?) to board a bus at Cabin camp to visit downtown (and it would increase costs).
Finally, there is something appropriate about the Cabin being on the same site as the library. Cabin writers see the library when they visit (maybe even get trapped in the overcrowded parking lot!). The Library could be the future home for their creations, a place where written words are free and accessible to everyone. Library patrons also see the Cabin--a place where all are welcome to write, to share their stories. The Library! and the Cabin have complementary visions and purposes, and each is better in close proximity to the other.
Do any other Cabin sites meet these criteria?
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 10 months ago
Diane Plastino Graves
What the cabin is and where it is is the same thing. It is not an issue of moving the nonprofit The Cabin. But moving the cabin building itself, which was built by the CCC on that spot in 1939., would be a tragedy. It would be like moving the Boise Depot to west Boise, or the Statue of Liberty to New Jersey. It is at home in that spot, and has been for 7 decades. We need these special places to remain untouched, so that Boise has representations of all its history, intact. https://www.idahostatesman.com/opinion/readers-opinion/article214439969.html
What the cabin is and where it is is the same thing. It is not an issue of moving the nonprofit The Cabin. But moving the cabin building itself, which was built by the CCC on that spot in 1939., would be a tragedy. It would be like moving the Boise Depot to west Boise, or the Statue of Liberty to New Jersey. It is at home in that spot, and has been for 7 decades. We need these special places to remain untouched, so that Boise has representations of all its history, intact. https://www.idahostatesman.com/opinion/readers-opinion/article214439969.html
Commented on Main Library Campus
2 years, 10 months ago
Oh, I so agree! I really hope The Cabin stays put, but I don't think City Hall considered either the structure or the literary center's future when they contracted with the architectural team.
Commented on Main Library Campus
2 years, 10 months ago
When you write you are in favor of moving The Cabin, you mention students would maintain access, but I have not read any commitment from the city the intention to relocate the cabin as The Cabin, that will be very expensive. The official comment here is quite vague.
Supported a comment by Lynette Daudt on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 10 months ago
Lynette Daudt
Mitigate = make less severe, serious, or painful. How about a non-all glass design. This is not appropriate design in a century moving toward sustainability. Insulate with thick solid walls. Use solar panels on the roof. Have large windows but not walls of glass.
Mitigate = make less severe, serious, or painful. How about a non-all glass design. This is not appropriate design in a century moving toward sustainability. Insulate with thick solid walls. Use solar panels on the roof. Have large windows but not walls of glass.
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 10 months ago
Diane Plastino Graves
One of the unconfirmed reports I have heard is that the City is eyeing the block of interesting old buildings on South 8th, where the Foothills School is now, for a parking garage. So tearing down more interesting, historic buildings that give us a sense of place in trade for perhaps another cinderblock parking garage like the one the City egregiously allowed Gardner to build on Front and 12th? (That is a whole other topic...) That doubles the trauma, when considering the unacceptable loss of the Cabin.
One of the unconfirmed reports I have heard is that the City is eyeing the block of interesting old buildings on South 8th, where the Foothills School is now, for a parking garage. So tearing down more interesting, historic buildings that give us a sense of place in trade for perhaps another cinderblock parking garage like the one the City egregiously allowed Gardner to build on Front and 12th? (That is a whole other topic...) That doubles the trauma, when considering the unacceptable loss of the Cabin.
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 10 months ago
Diane Plastino Graves
It is absolutely unacceptable that the cabin be moved to another location. And moving it to that string of orphaned buildings in Julia Davis Park is beyond unacceptable. What this building is, and where it is are the same thing. I agree with every comment in the Idaho Statesman editorial of July 22nd.
It is absolutely unacceptable that the cabin be moved to another location. And moving it to that string of orphaned buildings in Julia Davis Park is beyond unacceptable. What this building is, and where it is are the same thing. I agree with every comment in the Idaho Statesman editorial of July 22nd.
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 10 months ago
Diane Plastino Graves
It lords over the river. The glass and concrete are very stern, and are the antithesis of the lush, welcoming riparian environment. Can you imagine how hot that entrance courtyard will be during our routine 95+ degree days?
It lords over the river. The glass and concrete are very stern, and are the antithesis of the lush, welcoming riparian environment. Can you imagine how hot that entrance courtyard will be during our routine 95+ degree days?
Supported a comment by Matthew Castel on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 10 months ago
Matthew Castel
I think the modern look is nice, but the southern exposure will have too much sun and cause issues with the cooling costs and the bleaching of library materials. The design may also cause issues with traffic by blinding northbound drivers.
I think the modern look is nice, but the southern exposure will have too much sun and cause issues with the cooling costs and the bleaching of library materials. The design may also cause issues with traffic by blinding northbound drivers.
Supported a comment by Cathy Silak on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 10 months ago
Cathy Silak
Parking will be a problem and will adversely impact nearby uses such as the Boise Art Museum and the newly rebuilt Idaho Museum as users vie for spaces. Additional plans for offsite parking will need to progress at the same pace as building the new library.
Parking will be a problem and will adversely impact nearby uses such as the Boise Art Museum and the newly rebuilt Idaho Museum as users vie for spaces. Additional plans for offsite parking will need to progress at the same pace as building the new library.
Commented on Main Library Campus
2 years, 10 months ago
While I would love to see the Armory put to use, I believe plans to renovate it as a theatre arts school some years ago stopped due to asbestos contamination. Do other readers know if this was eventually remedied?
Supported a comment by Alex Takasugi on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 10 months ago
Alex Takasugi
I would like to see thought and effort put into preventing bird collisions with all the glass window space. The American Bird Conservancy has ideas here: https://abcbirds.org/program/glass-collisions/learn-more/ Check out the "Resources for Architects, Planners and Develpers" section.
I would like to see thought and effort put into preventing bird collisions with all the glass window space. The American Bird Conservancy has ideas here: https://abcbirds.org/program/glass-collisions/learn-more/ Check out the "Resources for Architects, Planners and Develpers" section.
Supported a comment by Kathy Crowley on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 10 months ago
Kathy Crowley
Once again, I want to reiterate the need to protect the birds especially since the project is adjacent to our most valuable natural resource, the Boise River! The river is a sanctuary for a multitude of species. We need to be cognizant of the importance of maintaining habitat while meeting the needs of the community. Our song birds are declining in number. Let's protect them as well as our birds of prey and others.
Once again, I want to reiterate the need to protect the birds especially since the project is adjacent to our most valuable natural resource, the Boise River! The river is a sanctuary for a multitude of species. We need to be cognizant of the importance of maintaining habitat while meeting the needs of the community. Our song birds are declining in number. Let's protect them as well as our birds of prey and others.
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 10 months ago
M. Thomas
I would like to see a detailed breakdown of the $85 million proposed budget including how much has already been spent on the project; costs of renovation versus demolition; full disclosure of the architectural services selection process including financials; and transparent and complete breakdown of funding (including clarification of the $46.8 million from Tax Support and $22.2 million from Partnerships/Donations listed on p. 187 of the FY2019 City Budget). In the concept presentation to City Council in December 2017, a line item of $4.1 million for renovation of the existing warehouse was included as part of an overall proposed budget of $63.7 million that included $10.5 million for a parking garage and $10.7 million for event space & equipment. Nothing was mentioned about The Cabin at that point. How did that jump to complete demolition and an $80-85 million budget plus a separately funded parking garage?
I would like to see a detailed breakdown of the $85 million proposed budget including how much has already been spent on the project; costs of renovation versus demolition; full disclosure of the architectural services selection process including financials; and transparent and complete breakdown of funding (including clarification of the $46.8 million from Tax Support and $22.2 million from Partnerships/Donations listed on p. 187 of the FY2019 City Budget). In the concept presentation to City Council in December 2017, a line item of $4.1 million for renovation of the existing warehouse was included as part of an overall proposed budget of $63.7 million that included $10.5 million for a parking garage and $10.7 million for event space & equipment. Nothing was mentioned about The Cabin at that point. How did that jump to complete demolition and an $80-85 million budget plus a separately funded parking garage?
Supported a comment by Theresa M on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 10 months ago
Theresa M
It is too big. Do NOT move The Cabin. That is an important and living part of the City’s history and fabric.
It is too big. Do NOT move The Cabin. That is an important and living part of the City’s history and fabric.
Supported a comment by Carole Whiteleather on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 10 months ago
Carole Whiteleather
Forgot to explain my reasons regarding The Cabin. As the former Director of Education for The Cabin, I must stress the importance of the location for one of the most dynamic programs, Summer Writing Camps. Students need the access to nature, the museums, zoo and downtown for the various writing assignments and camps in which they participate. When we re-designed the camps from a small three week window to a full summer of offerings, many more students have enjoyed this opportunity. Moving The Cabin could be detrimental to this wonderful experience for kids. Thank you for your consideration of my comments.
Forgot to explain my reasons regarding The Cabin. As the former Director of Education for The Cabin, I must stress the importance of the location for one of the most dynamic programs, Summer Writing Camps. Students need the access to nature, the museums, zoo and downtown for the various writing assignments and camps in which they participate. When we re-designed the camps from a small three week window to a full summer of offerings, many more students have enjoyed this opportunity. Moving The Cabin could be detrimental to this wonderful experience for kids. Thank you for your consideration of my comments.
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2 years, 10 months ago
Commented on Main Library Campus
2 years, 10 months ago
Thank you for reminding us of the hazard glass poses to birds. I thought that southern glass wall would possibly cause blinding glare to drivers, didn't think about birds!
Parking is essential. I wonder if a big glossy building suits the site, as it will verge on the Anne Frank Memorial. The main entrance should not impinge on the lovely quarry stone silhouette of the Memorial. It’s a well known landmark.