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Supported a comment by Christine King on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Supported a comment by Susan Pohl on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Susan Pohl
I agree with Kathy Kustra's July 16, 2018 remarks.
I agree with Kathy Kustra's July 16, 2018 remarks.
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 4 months ago
Diane Plastino Graves
The new classroom there has impacted usage of the west side of The Cabin. The Garden with the Rose Beal Tree at the Anne Frank Memorial was found recently to be very close to the new Lubrary building scheme. So the City is moving the new Library footprint back to protect the tree.
The new classroom there has impacted usage of the west side of The Cabin. The Garden with the Rose Beal Tree at the Anne Frank Memorial was found recently to be very close to the new Lubrary building scheme. So the City is moving the new Library footprint back to protect the tree.
Supported a comment by George Targee on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 4 months ago
George Targee
On another path, I was driving by the area this week and was reminded that the Anne Frank Memorial is right beside The Cabin. I don't remember seeing comments about Anne Frank - have there been any? Is that memorial being affected by the new library.
On another path, I was driving by the area this week and was reminded that the Anne Frank Memorial is right beside The Cabin. I don't remember seeing comments about Anne Frank - have there been any? Is that memorial being affected by the new library.
Supported a comment by Christine King on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 4 months ago
Christine King
Oh my gosh, Diane, that is important information, thank you. I have family in Missoula, MT., one is a librarian. They are also building a new library, there has been some controversy, but the city has included the community in every aspect, including passing a bond vote. A very significant detail is the costs have been locked in for quite a while, I have no doubt Boise is not going to be able to keep cost within the margin they promised.
Oh my gosh, Diane, that is important information, thank you. I have family in Missoula, MT., one is a librarian. They are also building a new library, there has been some controversy, but the city has included the community in every aspect, including passing a bond vote. A very significant detail is the costs have been locked in for quite a while, I have no doubt Boise is not going to be able to keep cost within the margin they promised.
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 4 months ago
Diane Plastino Graves
And it is important to note that the Salt Lake City and Seattle libraries, often touted as similar to Boise's plan, both received a bond levy vote from the citizens, which has been denied to date by our City Hall. By my count, this and the stadium will be the largest taxpayer-funded projects in the City of Boise' history. If we vote for fire stations, foothills preservation, and school bonds, we deserve the right to vote on these extremely large projects.
And it is important to note that the Salt Lake City and Seattle libraries, often touted as similar to Boise's plan, both received a bond levy vote from the citizens, which has been denied to date by our City Hall. By my count, this and the stadium will be the largest taxpayer-funded projects in the City of Boise' history. If we vote for fire stations, foothills preservation, and school bonds, we deserve the right to vote on these extremely large projects.
Supported a comment by Christine King on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 4 months ago
Christine King
Exactly, April. Many have noted concerns they have with the design and cost of this library, yet our civic input is being considered annoying complaints. I have yet to see the city address these issues, only "we are working on it". Right, the city didn't have it together to announce that The Cabin would be moved until the day before the plan was revealed, they were 50% low on relocation expenses and changed the new location how many times. I have no faith in our city planners, none. It's all about a world-famous architect, look at Salt Lake, we need a library to reflect our fabulous Boise. I think our current library is "nice", the goal seemingly is not an attractive, functional structure, the purpose of a library, but glitz and ego. Form follows function in Boise resulted in JUMP.
Exactly, April. Many have noted concerns they have with the design and cost of this library, yet our civic input is being considered annoying complaints. I have yet to see the city address these issues, only "we are working on it". Right, the city didn't have it together to announce that The Cabin would be moved until the day before the plan was revealed, they were 50% low on relocation expenses and changed the new location how many times. I have no faith in our city planners, none. It's all about a world-famous architect, look at Salt Lake, we need a library to reflect our fabulous Boise. I think our current library is "nice", the goal seemingly is not an attractive, functional structure, the purpose of a library, but glitz and ego. Form follows function in Boise resulted in JUMP.
Supported a comment by E.B. Schofield on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 4 months ago
E.B. Schofield
Complaints versus serious concerns and unanswered questions regarding the true costs and the impact on all taxpayers are two different issues. Although supporters of this project state there are no new taxes, that does not mean your existing taxes will not be increased to cover this very long-term debt, including an as yet unkown amount of transaction fees and interest for the Lease Financing component.
Complaints versus serious concerns and unanswered questions regarding the true costs and the impact on all taxpayers are two different issues. Although supporters of this project state there are no new taxes, that does not mean your existing taxes will not be increased to cover this very long-term debt, including an as yet unkown amount of transaction fees and interest for the Lease Financing component.
Supported a comment by April LOrange on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 4 months ago
April LOrange
We aren't complaining about *a* new library. We're complaining about *this particular design*. What is functional in Salt Lake City won't be here, due to differences in climate and orientation. What's beautiful in Salt Lake City, where they've built quite a bit from pale stone, sticks out like a store thumb in an area made of red brick. Accept that we aren't anti-LIBRARY. Meet us halfway, and let's talk about how to meet the needs of our community at large, not the able-bodied folks who drive to Salt Lake City in particular.
We aren't complaining about *a* new library. We're complaining about *this particular design*. What is functional in Salt Lake City won't be here, due to differences in climate and orientation. What's beautiful in Salt Lake City, where they've built quite a bit from pale stone, sticks out like a store thumb in an area made of red brick. Accept that we aren't anti-LIBRARY. Meet us halfway, and let's talk about how to meet the needs of our community at large, not the able-bodied folks who drive to Salt Lake City in particular.
Supported a comment by David Klinger on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 4 months ago
David Klinger
Perhaps there will be some leftover construction materials from the forthcoming “beautiful concrete wall” along the U.S.-Mexico border that might be diverted to Boise to guarantee the security of “The Cabin” in its new water-saturated site. Or a moat could be dug. There’s no end to imaginative, over-engineered solutions when money is endless, green space can be sacrificed, and history doesn’t matter anymore.
Perhaps there will be some leftover construction materials from the forthcoming “beautiful concrete wall” along the U.S.-Mexico border that might be diverted to Boise to guarantee the security of “The Cabin” in its new water-saturated site. Or a moat could be dug. There’s no end to imaginative, over-engineered solutions when money is endless, green space can be sacrificed, and history doesn’t matter anymore.
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 4 months ago
Tammy Bixby
I still find it extraordinary that 7 applications were turned in and all had included the design plan the only one that did not have a design plan turned in was the only one accepted. I found it when doing my homework interesting councilman Ludwick had stated to the Idaho press that he didn't think it was a good idea for the cabin moved to the maintenance area which of all places would have been the best location for the cabin, he said that it jeopardize in monetizing situation in the future. The city offered the cabin that spot and his cabinet agreed the cabin was later told that spot was being removed off the table obviously because Ludwig felt he would he know the city would stand to make any money by allowing the cabin there so they're willing to spend $650,000 to move the cabin into an unsecured unstable floodplain area which is going to cost more money than $650,000 this is all fascinating
I still find it extraordinary that 7 applications were turned in and all had included the design plan the only one that did not have a design plan turned in was the only one accepted. I found it when doing my homework interesting councilman Ludwick had stated to the Idaho press that he didn't think it was a good idea for the cabin moved to the maintenance area which of all places would have been the best location for the cabin, he said that it jeopardize in monetizing situation in the future. The city offered the cabin that spot and his cabinet agreed the cabin was later told that spot was being removed off the table obviously because Ludwig felt he would he know the city would stand to make any money by allowing the cabin there so they're willing to spend $650,000 to move the cabin into an unsecured unstable floodplain area which is going to cost more money than $650,000 this is all fascinating
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 4 months ago
Tammy Bixby
Is it too much to think or to have expected it, the design for a new library should have used the cabin is inspiration to compliment the new design for a library using Timber compressed wood beams? What we have been given is a design that's been in every single City that this man has designed a building and apparently according to the council all of Jerusalem was built by the same architect so says the rabbi from Boise. I find all this disturbing. What we could have had is a lovely unique I repeat unique Library with all the state-of-the-art amenities and yet kept the loveliness of our forest a river and implemented that with the design and created a truly spectacular Library. Mike Journey the deputy mayor when interviewed by the Idaho Press stated that they gave the architect a few guidelines to go by but none of those directions included the cabin and the garden Anne Frank Memorial. I question why was that not included, my answer to my own question, is that the city didn't care don't care don't want it.
Is it too much to think or to have expected it, the design for a new library should have used the cabin is inspiration to compliment the new design for a library using Timber compressed wood beams? What we have been given is a design that's been in every single City that this man has designed a building and apparently according to the council all of Jerusalem was built by the same architect so says the rabbi from Boise. I find all this disturbing. What we could have had is a lovely unique I repeat unique Library with all the state-of-the-art amenities and yet kept the loveliness of our forest a river and implemented that with the design and created a truly spectacular Library. Mike Journey the deputy mayor when interviewed by the Idaho Press stated that they gave the architect a few guidelines to go by but none of those directions included the cabin and the garden Anne Frank Memorial. I question why was that not included, my answer to my own question, is that the city didn't care don't care don't want it.
Supported a comment by April LOrange on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 4 months ago
April LOrange
Dear City of Boise: I appreciate your response. It doesn't address my concerns. Can you see seniors with walkers coming from a block it two away? It may be the closest parking, but by the time you've come all the way around from Biomark to the proposed main entrance, it's a serious hike for someone with, say, rheumatoid arthritis. This facility is supposed to serve our community as a whole, not just the able-bodied.
Dear City of Boise: I appreciate your response. It doesn't address my concerns. Can you see seniors with walkers coming from a block it two away? It may be the closest parking, but by the time you've come all the way around from Biomark to the proposed main entrance, it's a serious hike for someone with, say, rheumatoid arthritis. This facility is supposed to serve our community as a whole, not just the able-bodied.
Supported a comment by E.B. Schofield on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 4 months ago
E.B. Schofield
)1) "Balanced" will require taking the 3% statutorily allowed budget increase every year - otherwise the funds will not be balanced. The budget presentation at the City Council Work Session on Jan. 22 acknowledges this requirement. (2) The project budget may be $80-85M but the project cost will not be. Even if the event center is delayed and major VE modifications are made, once you factor in interest and issuance/transaction fees over the life of the CCDC bonds and lease financing, the true cost will be millions more! (3) Three of the four funding sources will be directly paid via taxation of citizens and businesses.
)1) "Balanced" will require taking the 3% statutorily allowed budget increase every year - otherwise the funds will not be balanced. The budget presentation at the City Council Work Session on Jan. 22 acknowledges this requirement. (2) The project budget may be $80-85M but the project cost will not be. Even if the event center is delayed and major VE modifications are made, once you factor in interest and issuance/transaction fees over the life of the CCDC bonds and lease financing, the true cost will be millions more! (3) Three of the four funding sources will be directly paid via taxation of citizens and businesses.
Supported a comment by E.B. Schofield on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 4 months ago
E.B. Schofield
. . . Therefore these results cleary show that this library is not a top priority to Boise citizens compared to other issues the City can/should focus on. The survey was designed to focus in on what the citizens say is their priority (essentially for spending tax payer money). How one "feels" about the choices listed in the survey that impact quality of life is an entirely different question, as well as being composed of elements that should be funded only after all basic core muncipal services are provided in an equal and fair manner.
. . . Therefore these results cleary show that this library is not a top priority to Boise citizens compared to other issues the City can/should focus on. The survey was designed to focus in on what the citizens say is their priority (essentially for spending tax payer money). How one "feels" about the choices listed in the survey that impact quality of life is an entirely different question, as well as being composed of elements that should be funded only after all basic core muncipal services are provided in an equal and fair manner.
Supported a comment by E.B. Schofield on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 4 months ago
E.B. Schofield
City of Boise - Page 4 of the December 13, 2018 Library Meeting Minutes say, "The bird strike issue noted in the previous public comment phase has been resolved and just needs communicated to the public. Two options were provided by Safdi Architects and need to be costed." Why not provide that information ASAP - citizens want to know.
City of Boise - Page 4 of the December 13, 2018 Library Meeting Minutes say, "The bird strike issue noted in the previous public comment phase has been resolved and just needs communicated to the public. Two options were provided by Safdi Architects and need to be costed." Why not provide that information ASAP - citizens want to know.
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 4 months ago
M. Thomas
So important to distinguish budget vs true cost. And extremely alarming at this point in the process to still not see any semblance of projected increases to personnel, maintenance, operations - additional direct burdens on already overtaxed residents. We can not afford this proposal!
So important to distinguish budget vs true cost. And extremely alarming at this point in the process to still not see any semblance of projected increases to personnel, maintenance, operations - additional direct burdens on already overtaxed residents. We can not afford this proposal!
Supported a comment by E.B. Schofield on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 4 months ago
E.B. Schofield
I wonder whose job it was to photo-shop The Cabin out of the bird's eye view photo of the proposed library? Or if they would have hesitated if their grandfather was one of the CCC boys who built it?
I wonder whose job it was to photo-shop The Cabin out of the bird's eye view photo of the proposed library? Or if they would have hesitated if their grandfather was one of the CCC boys who built it?
Supported a comment by E.B. Schofield on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 4 months ago
E.B. Schofield
Library Meeting Minutes and City Council Work Sessions in 2017 show $40 million based on a combination remodel and addition to the existing structure, which would expand current space, and add space for the Arts & History Dept. as well as event space. With parking structure included, the budget increased to $50-60M. These budget figures were prior to Safdie gaining the City's attention. Since then, the numbers have ramped up. In addition, "budget" is not the same as "cost" at the end of the day.
Library Meeting Minutes and City Council Work Sessions in 2017 show $40 million based on a combination remodel and addition to the existing structure, which would expand current space, and add space for the Arts & History Dept. as well as event space. With parking structure included, the budget increased to $50-60M. These budget figures were prior to Safdie gaining the City's attention. Since then, the numbers have ramped up. In addition, "budget" is not the same as "cost" at the end of the day.
Supported a comment by E.B. Schofield on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 4 months ago
E.B. Schofield
I recently learned that the Boise Cultural Master Plan was actually created by Karen Bubb who works in the Boise Arts & History Department. This just might be the only City Plan document that did not use outside consultants and large amounts of consulting fees. I respect this. But relocating The Cabin for this library project does not appear to respect this Plan, as this simply contradicts the very goals and initiatives of this plan. Whereas, leaving The Cabin where it was built supports the Cultural Master Plan’s initiatives of place making, historic preservation & interpretation, and cultural heritage tourism. City of Boise Cultural Master Plan (2017) Goal 2: Enhance & Preserve Neighborhood Places Strategy 2.1 Preserve Historical Connections • Preserve, promote, document, collect and celebrate Boise’s history at the neighborhood level. • Develop a cultural sites program that preserves and activates historical Boise locations. An important part of the cultural landscape is historic preservation, historic artifacts, and community resources (p.55). Boise’s Mayor and City Council know the importance of place based culture in making Boise the most livable city in the country. — Cultural Master Plan Fact Sheet
I recently learned that the Boise Cultural Master Plan was actually created by Karen Bubb who works in the Boise Arts & History Department. This just might be the only City Plan document that did not use outside consultants and large amounts of consulting fees. I respect this. But relocating The Cabin for this library project does not appear to respect this Plan, as this simply contradicts the very goals and initiatives of this plan. Whereas, leaving The Cabin where it was built supports the Cultural Master Plan’s initiatives of place making, historic preservation & interpretation, and cultural heritage tourism. City of Boise Cultural Master Plan (2017) Goal 2: Enhance & Preserve Neighborhood Places Strategy 2.1 Preserve Historical Connections • Preserve, promote, document, collect and celebrate Boise’s history at the neighborhood level. • Develop a cultural sites program that preserves and activates historical Boise locations. An important part of the cultural landscape is historic preservation, historic artifacts, and community resources (p.55). Boise’s Mayor and City Council know the importance of place based culture in making Boise the most livable city in the country. — Cultural Master Plan Fact Sheet
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 4 months ago
Tammy Bixby
The one thing that was truly overlooked is the fact that the cabin was offered the maintenance area which takes up a huge portion of the park. The city offered the maintenance area to the cabin they accepted. Then what happened with Scott Ludwick councilman, send to the Idaho Press we don't think that's a great idea because it will prevent a future monetizing situation. So it's going to cost $600,000 to move the cabin to an absolutely insecure area. I know because I'm there every day. It is always a mess with flooding Etc. I'm just wondering honestly what the heck is going on behind closed doors. I found it all so fascinating that when all submitted applications all of them submitted design plans yet the current architect submitted an application with no designplan. I believe that this is a sham. Also known to that my Journeys clearly stated that when they told the architect to design they told him to do whatever he wanted they gave him certain instructions about certain things but two things they did not instruct him on and that was yes, the cabin and the garden Anne Frank Memorial
The one thing that was truly overlooked is the fact that the cabin was offered the maintenance area which takes up a huge portion of the park. The city offered the maintenance area to the cabin they accepted. Then what happened with Scott Ludwick councilman, send to the Idaho Press we don't think that's a great idea because it will prevent a future monetizing situation. So it's going to cost $600,000 to move the cabin to an absolutely insecure area. I know because I'm there every day. It is always a mess with flooding Etc. I'm just wondering honestly what the heck is going on behind closed doors. I found it all so fascinating that when all submitted applications all of them submitted design plans yet the current architect submitted an application with no designplan. I believe that this is a sham. Also known to that my Journeys clearly stated that when they told the architect to design they told him to do whatever he wanted they gave him certain instructions about certain things but two things they did not instruct him on and that was yes, the cabin and the garden Anne Frank Memorial
Supported a comment by Thomas J Beatty on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 4 months ago
Thomas J Beatty
Unfortunately, moving the Cabin will have little to no impact on parking. I also love the design, but I wish it had come about as the result of a process that incorporated what our new library actually needed. Instead, I believe the architect was shopping his designs around the country and found a willing buyer in the form of the City of Boise. So Boise then has to adapt to the design: The Cabin doesn't quite work with the preconceived design; No problem: We'll just move it. There's no allowance for onsite parking; No problem: We'll sign an agreement with another developer to tear down a school and erect a parking garage/residential building. But the parking is offsite separated by a fairly busy street, will not entirely be free and it's not even on the first floor; well, you can't have everything. I just wish that instead of trying to fit Boise to the design, that we would design a library for Boise. And the way the project has been structured, we don't even get a chance to vote on it.
Unfortunately, moving the Cabin will have little to no impact on parking. I also love the design, but I wish it had come about as the result of a process that incorporated what our new library actually needed. Instead, I believe the architect was shopping his designs around the country and found a willing buyer in the form of the City of Boise. So Boise then has to adapt to the design: The Cabin doesn't quite work with the preconceived design; No problem: We'll just move it. There's no allowance for onsite parking; No problem: We'll sign an agreement with another developer to tear down a school and erect a parking garage/residential building. But the parking is offsite separated by a fairly busy street, will not entirely be free and it's not even on the first floor; well, you can't have everything. I just wish that instead of trying to fit Boise to the design, that we would design a library for Boise. And the way the project has been structured, we don't even get a chance to vote on it.
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 4 months ago
Tammy Bixby
respectfully I say to you it's not a matter of not wanting to improve our library situation, it is the ostentatious, and a complete regard for our heritage.
respectfully I say to you it's not a matter of not wanting to improve our library situation, it is the ostentatious, and a complete regard for our heritage.
Supported a comment by John Bertram on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 4 months ago
John Bertram
The CABIN should remain in place. Save money on a move and keep history where it happened. The CABIN is central to a rich history of Boise including the Boise River Ferry, Oregon Trail Memorial Bridge commemorating where pioneers forded the river, Ninth St. Bridge and Bandshell. The Cabin's story and CCC history should remain where it is on Capitol Boulevard and the Boise River.
The CABIN should remain in place. Save money on a move and keep history where it happened. The CABIN is central to a rich history of Boise including the Boise River Ferry, Oregon Trail Memorial Bridge commemorating where pioneers forded the river, Ninth St. Bridge and Bandshell. The Cabin's story and CCC history should remain where it is on Capitol Boulevard and the Boise River.
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 4 months ago
Tammy Bixby
The city of Boise has taken a high hand and telling the community what we want. Anything that cost so much money and it's going to completely obliterate a historical monument must have public opinion and must have that opinion wait in heavily. The ignorance of our city leaders is astounding. There is few that I have spoke with and interacted with disagree. It is in my opinion did our city leaders have been weighed measured and found wanting
The city of Boise has taken a high hand and telling the community what we want. Anything that cost so much money and it's going to completely obliterate a historical monument must have public opinion and must have that opinion wait in heavily. The ignorance of our city leaders is astounding. There is few that I have spoke with and interacted with disagree. It is in my opinion did our city leaders have been weighed measured and found wanting
Supported a comment by E.B. Schofield on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 4 months ago
E.B. Schofield
The issue of The Cabin can be summarized in 2 simple statements - 1. It is not necessary to move it. 2. Not moving it costs nothing from the public purse. The disruption to the literary program's functioning for a year or two is "a cost" - but this is no different than the cost we all pay when development in our neighborhoods and ACHD road construction to accomodate growth disrupts our lives.
The issue of The Cabin can be summarized in 2 simple statements - 1. It is not necessary to move it. 2. Not moving it costs nothing from the public purse. The disruption to the literary program's functioning for a year or two is "a cost" - but this is no different than the cost we all pay when development in our neighborhoods and ACHD road construction to accomodate growth disrupts our lives.
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 4 months ago
Diane Plastino Graves
It is an enormous failure of strategic planning that the Biomark lease was given, when there had long been plans for a rebuild of the Library next door. The fact that we are stuck with the Biomark warehouse and the precious cabin building is jettisoned to a flood plain tells you all you need to know about this very flawed process.
It is an enormous failure of strategic planning that the Biomark lease was given, when there had long been plans for a rebuild of the Library next door. The fact that we are stuck with the Biomark warehouse and the precious cabin building is jettisoned to a flood plain tells you all you need to know about this very flawed process.
Supported a comment by Lynette Daudt on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 5 months ago
Lynette Daudt
Lynn, there are enough 1st class places. I moved to Boise to get out of one that was becoming impossible to live in due to entity, traffic, prices, etc. Do you really want Boise to become that? Perhaps sine you are in Realestate (if that's true, taking it from the comment above) perhaps you are driving the cool-aid of your industry that keeps pushing up and up and up. But not everyone in Boise wants it to become NYC, Paris, of SF. Small is beautiful.
Lynn, there are enough 1st class places. I moved to Boise to get out of one that was becoming impossible to live in due to entity, traffic, prices, etc. Do you really want Boise to become that? Perhaps sine you are in Realestate (if that's true, taking it from the comment above) perhaps you are driving the cool-aid of your industry that keeps pushing up and up and up. But not everyone in Boise wants it to become NYC, Paris, of SF. Small is beautiful.
Supported a comment by Christine King on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 5 months ago
Christine King
Lynn, I believe you are a realtor with a downtown office; if so, you should identify yourself as one who may financially benefit from this project. And, please do not dismiss my concerns with the condescending, "change is hard for some", there are a number of issues that have been brought up with little response from the city. "Amenities"--it is a library--who are you to tell me I will "feel better" once I see all of those wonderful amenities? Indeed. shouldn't those amenities already have been revealed by the city? Perhaps they are bullet points you would include in a real estate brochure, or others would to attract conventions. I go to the library in order to check out books and do a little research, not to gaze over the river from a rooftop cafe.
Lynn, I believe you are a realtor with a downtown office; if so, you should identify yourself as one who may financially benefit from this project. And, please do not dismiss my concerns with the condescending, "change is hard for some", there are a number of issues that have been brought up with little response from the city. "Amenities"--it is a library--who are you to tell me I will "feel better" once I see all of those wonderful amenities? Indeed. shouldn't those amenities already have been revealed by the city? Perhaps they are bullet points you would include in a real estate brochure, or others would to attract conventions. I go to the library in order to check out books and do a little research, not to gaze over the river from a rooftop cafe.
Supported a comment by David Klinger on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 5 months ago
David Klinger
I think we have sufficient “shining icons” in Boise in the form of a river, some foothills, and a wonderful populace, thank you. A Massachusetts architect’s “vision” for our city cannot embelish on the intrinsic values of our community. You have to live here to understand here.
I think we have sufficient “shining icons” in Boise in the form of a river, some foothills, and a wonderful populace, thank you. A Massachusetts architect’s “vision” for our city cannot embelish on the intrinsic values of our community. You have to live here to understand here.
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 5 months ago
Tammy Bixby
I hope that everyone is aware of a petition on change.org on behalf of our cabin I'll try to load up the blank
I hope that everyone is aware of a petition on change.org on behalf of our cabin I'll try to load up the blank
Supported a comment by Christine King on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 5 months ago
Christine King
Lynn, you are at an advantage that you live close by, how many current visitors do not? How many will opt to visit a branch library rather than deal with an adjacent parking garage? You use "1st class Library", "world class library", one that will be terrific for those who live in the area, a showpiece for a "1st class 21st Century City". There lies the problem, you are describing a downtown core that is becoming more of a boutique, unfriendly to those of us who drive there. When you use such language, it serves to tell those of us who would prefer a more modest library that suits a wooded river area that we are anachronists. However, we are all paying for this legacy showpiece, one that many in outlying areas will certainly avoid.
Lynn, you are at an advantage that you live close by, how many current visitors do not? How many will opt to visit a branch library rather than deal with an adjacent parking garage? You use "1st class Library", "world class library", one that will be terrific for those who live in the area, a showpiece for a "1st class 21st Century City". There lies the problem, you are describing a downtown core that is becoming more of a boutique, unfriendly to those of us who drive there. When you use such language, it serves to tell those of us who would prefer a more modest library that suits a wooded river area that we are anachronists. However, we are all paying for this legacy showpiece, one that many in outlying areas will certainly avoid.
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 5 months ago
Tammy Bixby
she make such broad statements but I wonder if you live in the vicinity how it will impact you and your visits to the library I wonder if you really in the end a door ostentatious idea and I'm not being rude really I'm not I'm just wondering why are you so excited
she make such broad statements but I wonder if you live in the vicinity how it will impact you and your visits to the library I wonder if you really in the end a door ostentatious idea and I'm not being rude really I'm not I'm just wondering why are you so excited
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 5 months ago
Tammy Bixby
The elected government here in my opinion has been weighed measured and found wanting...
The elected government here in my opinion has been weighed measured and found wanting...
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2 years, 5 months ago
From what 'Im reading here there may be commitment of the public to a new library, but NOT! on this site if it involves molesting the historic Cabin in any way, i e: moving it from it's present location.
Supported a comment by Kaye ORiordan on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 5 months ago
Kaye ORiordan
The new library needs plenty of convenient parking as well as a place to pick up books being held.
The new library needs plenty of convenient parking as well as a place to pick up books being held.
Supported a comment by John Bertram on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 5 months ago
John Bertram
Why did the mayor and council sign a long term 45-year lease with Rocky Mountain Development (sub lease to Biomart) on the adjacent city property purchased in 2002 for 1.5 million for library expansion? This 1.3-acre site was selected by CCDC in 2004 as a location for a parking garage. Then in 2011, without the support of the Library Board, the city undertook a long-term lease that locks up the site for 60 years with options. Imagine if the architect had this city land in play there would have been room to keep the CABIN in place and create city owned parking to serve the public.
Why did the mayor and council sign a long term 45-year lease with Rocky Mountain Development (sub lease to Biomart) on the adjacent city property purchased in 2002 for 1.5 million for library expansion? This 1.3-acre site was selected by CCDC in 2004 as a location for a parking garage. Then in 2011, without the support of the Library Board, the city undertook a long-term lease that locks up the site for 60 years with options. Imagine if the architect had this city land in play there would have been room to keep the CABIN in place and create city owned parking to serve the public.
Commented on Main Library Campus
2 years, 5 months ago
We are being "steamrolled! We elect them to represent us & give careful consideration to what we want & then we get what they or someone else in city government tells them they want. The answer is to VOTE for some one that WILL represent us!
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 5 months ago
Diane Plastino Graves
I was at that meeting November 27, 2018. There was no “review” or “careful consideration” of those 322 comments. City staff just mentioned it, —and mentioned that 60% of the commenters wanted the cabin to stay in its current location. The Council spent more time discussing the depth of the sewer line near one of the proposed locations in Julia Davis Park than they ever did discussing those comments. In fact, there was absolutely no discussion of the comments. I’m very tired of the city selectively advising the public of information that supports the Mayor and Council’s decisions which don’t reflect a large majority of the opinions submitted to the city by the public. It is a misrepresentation of the facts.
I was at that meeting November 27, 2018. There was no “review” or “careful consideration” of those 322 comments. City staff just mentioned it, —and mentioned that 60% of the commenters wanted the cabin to stay in its current location. The Council spent more time discussing the depth of the sewer line near one of the proposed locations in Julia Davis Park than they ever did discussing those comments. In fact, there was absolutely no discussion of the comments. I’m very tired of the city selectively advising the public of information that supports the Mayor and Council’s decisions which don’t reflect a large majority of the opinions submitted to the city by the public. It is a misrepresentation of the facts.
Supported a comment by Gary Zimmerman on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 5 months ago
Gary Zimmerman
Thank you. I am also very tired of the city's intentionally misleading comments that do not typically address the posted concern, and add only positives to the city's position. I feel steamrolled by those City responses.
Thank you. I am also very tired of the city's intentionally misleading comments that do not typically address the posted concern, and add only positives to the city's position. I feel steamrolled by those City responses.
Commented on Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
("how that will be accomplished") Neither does the city, they'll say whatever they think will mollify the citizens who are opposed to this folly that hasn't been voted on (crammed down our throats).
Supported a comment by Christine King on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
Christine King
The city said they would work to mitigate bird strikes on all that glass, I have no idea how that will be accomplished.
The city said they would work to mitigate bird strikes on all that glass, I have no idea how that will be accomplished.
Supported a comment by Karen Glennon on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
Karen Glennon
I think it is wonderful, but I don't want to lose The Cabin. Please find a way to save or incorporate it.
I think it is wonderful, but I don't want to lose The Cabin. Please find a way to save or incorporate it.
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
Tammy Bixby
This is the ugliest thing I have ever seen it looks so gross
This is the ugliest thing I have ever seen it looks so gross
Supported a comment by Linda Paul on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
Linda Paul
WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO DRILL THIS IN? MOVING THE CABIN IS NOT AN OPTION!!!!!!! The design needs to be reworked with The Cabin, on it's original site as a top priority.
WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO DRILL THIS IN? MOVING THE CABIN IS NOT AN OPTION!!!!!!! The design needs to be reworked with The Cabin, on it's original site as a top priority.
Supported a comment by S Evans on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
S Evans
Drove past the Historical Museum Renovation the other day and started thinking - What if the Library tried to compliment the museum's exterior? Similar stone finish, style, etc. Then, when the Art Museum is ready for their "face lift" they too can compliment the historical museum. Then, it's not just the library, but the entire area that is a breathtaking "gateway" to the city!
Drove past the Historical Museum Renovation the other day and started thinking - What if the Library tried to compliment the museum's exterior? Similar stone finish, style, etc. Then, when the Art Museum is ready for their "face lift" they too can compliment the historical museum. Then, it's not just the library, but the entire area that is a breathtaking "gateway" to the city!
Supported a comment by David Klinger on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
David Klinger
How does “humanistic philosophy” in architecture encompass a respect for history and site in the conceptualuzation of any project like the Boise events center/library? If site and history are sacrificed, does a project cease being fundamentally humanist?
How does “humanistic philosophy” in architecture encompass a respect for history and site in the conceptualuzation of any project like the Boise events center/library? If site and history are sacrificed, does a project cease being fundamentally humanist?
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
Tammy Bixby
I sincerely doubt he has any interest whatsoever what that the community has to say. His attitude and former words have shown that . Why should we allow this man tear down an entire block, beautiful historic buildings. His callous and thoughtless words have had no affect other than rage from our local community.
I sincerely doubt he has any interest whatsoever what that the community has to say. His attitude and former words have shown that . Why should we allow this man tear down an entire block, beautiful historic buildings. His callous and thoughtless words have had no affect other than rage from our local community.
Supported a comment by Suzanne Troje on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
Suzanne Troje
I was hoping this link would allow me to ask a question of Mr. Safdie: In your 2009 essay “On Ethics, Order, and Complexity,” you identify three principles to frame your designs, including: “The essence of place is fundamental to the creation of an architecture of belonging. Good design springs from understanding context.” Many of us who live in Boise identify with its natural surroundings, e.g., the river, the mountain foothills, the birds, the fish. Can you explain whether and, if so how, these elements came into play in your proposed design of the Boise Library?
I was hoping this link would allow me to ask a question of Mr. Safdie: In your 2009 essay “On Ethics, Order, and Complexity,” you identify three principles to frame your designs, including: “The essence of place is fundamental to the creation of an architecture of belonging. Good design springs from understanding context.” Many of us who live in Boise identify with its natural surroundings, e.g., the river, the mountain foothills, the birds, the fish. Can you explain whether and, if so how, these elements came into play in your proposed design of the Boise Library?
Supported a comment by Shannon Peterson on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
Shannon Peterson
Our quilt group sews every month at the library - many times to donate to those in need. The need to carry our equipment from two blocks away (parking) would make it very hard to continue our community use of the library. We need more parking on site. Can you make that happen?
Our quilt group sews every month at the library - many times to donate to those in need. The need to carry our equipment from two blocks away (parking) would make it very hard to continue our community use of the library. We need more parking on site. Can you make that happen?
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
Tammy Bixby
Good idea
Good idea
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
Tammy Bixby
Here's another fun fact about the cabin, a great friend of mine whose father began his career in the Forestry Department actually was trained at the cabin. So this is not just a local historic place it is also a State Historical place
Here's another fun fact about the cabin, a great friend of mine whose father began his career in the Forestry Department actually was trained at the cabin. So this is not just a local historic place it is also a State Historical place
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
Tammy Bixby
Don Day..for Mayor!!
Don Day..for Mayor!!
Supported a comment by Gary Zimmerman on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
Gary Zimmerman
Interesting article relating to the potential new library from Don Day. Raises some real concerns over the selection process along with questions regarding appropriateness for Boise. Please see https://boisedev.com/news/2018/10/03/boise-library-moshie-safdie-associates/.
Interesting article relating to the potential new library from Don Day. Raises some real concerns over the selection process along with questions regarding appropriateness for Boise. Please see https://boisedev.com/news/2018/10/03/boise-library-moshie-safdie-associates/.
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
Tammy Bixby
I agree with you M. Thomas
I agree with you M. Thomas
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
M. Thomas
No. Our $543,000 bought us one conceptual design from Safdie, who has now been hired with a $11.1 million+ contract to proceed with that one design. The plus is for the future events center, which is now on hold because for $85 million we can't afford it. Parking will be purchased with city money from a private developer when they demolish the Foothills school. There will be no true on-site parking; even the disabled parking will be in the area adjacent to Biomark, essentially across 8th Street from the proposed new building. This concept needs to go back to the drawing board after a public financing vote. Renovate don't demolish, keep The Cabin in its location, incorporate true onsite parking. These objectives are achievable, and if not by this architectvthen hire a different one with a lower price tag who can keep within the original $45 million proposed project budget.
No. Our $543,000 bought us one conceptual design from Safdie, who has now been hired with a $11.1 million+ contract to proceed with that one design. The plus is for the future events center, which is now on hold because for $85 million we can't afford it. Parking will be purchased with city money from a private developer when they demolish the Foothills school. There will be no true on-site parking; even the disabled parking will be in the area adjacent to Biomark, essentially across 8th Street from the proposed new building. This concept needs to go back to the drawing board after a public financing vote. Renovate don't demolish, keep The Cabin in its location, incorporate true onsite parking. These objectives are achievable, and if not by this architectvthen hire a different one with a lower price tag who can keep within the original $45 million proposed project budget.
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
Tammy Bixby
Booooo.. and I will add this baloney. Obviously the best interest of our community is being overlooked and we're being strong-armed into a project and having just built against the will and the wishes of the people.
Booooo.. and I will add this baloney. Obviously the best interest of our community is being overlooked and we're being strong-armed into a project and having just built against the will and the wishes of the people.
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
Tammy Bixby
There has been so much upset in uproar over the last couple years regarding the High handedness of the city parks and recreation Etc, there is serious talks happening to form a legal type of oversight
There has been so much upset in uproar over the last couple years regarding the High handedness of the city parks and recreation Etc, there is serious talks happening to form a legal type of oversight
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
Tammy Bixby
I might add the same could be said for him
I might add the same could be said for him
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
M. Thomas
Agree completely. I was very disappointed by Safdie's presentation all around.
Agree completely. I was very disappointed by Safdie's presentation all around.
Supported a comment by Pam Brewer on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
Pam Brewer
When are the next design open houses? The city has been awfully quiet except for approving arch fee?
When are the next design open houses? The city has been awfully quiet except for approving arch fee?
Supported a comment by Pamela B. on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
Pamela B.
Boise isn't just downtown. We need libraries in West Boise. Where is the outreach for the other Boise residents?
Boise isn't just downtown. We need libraries in West Boise. Where is the outreach for the other Boise residents?
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
M. Thomas
$11,185,236 Let that number sink in. $11,185,236 that was buried in a consent item of a nearly 2000 page agenda packet. $11,185,236 is the amount that Boise City Council just approved for Safdie to continue with architectural services on the proposed $103 million library campus. We are reeling in an affordable housing crisis. We are not flush with cash. We do not have the funding for this project just sitting around. Consider this in another perspective. The City is currently contemplating setting up a Land Trust with $20 million - $10 million from City resources, $10 million from philanthropy. While they think about moves like this to address affordable housing, they move full steam ahead on an amenity project by approving an $11.1 million expenditure for architectural plans. Oh, plus a minimum $650,000 to move a historically registered building (The Cabin) to a new site to make way for river views. Shame on you, City of Boise. Shame on you, Mayor Dave Bieter. Shame, shame on you, Council members Lisa E. Sánchez, Lauren McLean, TJ Thomson, Elaine M Clegg, Holli Woodings, Scott Ludwig.
$11,185,236 Let that number sink in. $11,185,236 that was buried in a consent item of a nearly 2000 page agenda packet. $11,185,236 is the amount that Boise City Council just approved for Safdie to continue with architectural services on the proposed $103 million library campus. We are reeling in an affordable housing crisis. We are not flush with cash. We do not have the funding for this project just sitting around. Consider this in another perspective. The City is currently contemplating setting up a Land Trust with $20 million - $10 million from City resources, $10 million from philanthropy. While they think about moves like this to address affordable housing, they move full steam ahead on an amenity project by approving an $11.1 million expenditure for architectural plans. Oh, plus a minimum $650,000 to move a historically registered building (The Cabin) to a new site to make way for river views. Shame on you, City of Boise. Shame on you, Mayor Dave Bieter. Shame, shame on you, Council members Lisa E. Sánchez, Lauren McLean, TJ Thomson, Elaine M Clegg, Holli Woodings, Scott Ludwig.
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
M. Thomas
The timeline tab was recently updated and now shows Spring 2019 for next public input. The wording for that also changed. It used to say something to the effect of giving input on how well architect had incorporated feedback from July open houses. It now says input on further refinement of design.
The timeline tab was recently updated and now shows Spring 2019 for next public input. The wording for that also changed. It used to say something to the effect of giving input on how well architect had incorporated feedback from July open houses. It now says input on further refinement of design.
Supported a comment by Alex Jones on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
Alex Jones
Sure has been quiet. Accountability requires two way communication city folks.
Sure has been quiet. Accountability requires two way communication city folks.
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
Tammy Bixby
Thank you for making that clear. This is truly in my opinion the problem we are all having with this particular project. The city is taking too much of a high hand, not allowing real public opinion, not being truly transparent and not acting in good faith to its Community residence nor anybody
Thank you for making that clear. This is truly in my opinion the problem we are all having with this particular project. The city is taking too much of a high hand, not allowing real public opinion, not being truly transparent and not acting in good faith to its Community residence nor anybody
Supported a comment by Ranelle Nabring on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
Ranelle Nabring
What about the basement? Will it be preserved?
What about the basement? Will it be preserved?
Commented on Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
How about the city that had the wisdom to let a long-term lease to Biomat for the adjacent building when the library expansion was in future plans (something amells of fish here) admit their error, set down and talk to their tenant about providing them with another location and expand the existing LIBARY! building to the west? I'm expecting one of your glib, weak "PR" excuses to this; please include credible costs estimates for this as opposed to the current "plan". I am sure Mr. Bertram would be much interested in this also. Thank you for your prompt reply.
Commented on Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
Great "concept", maybe -- WRONG! place for all the parking issues, traffic congestion it will bring, the glass bringing bird strike problems, and, again, glass bringing temperature management costs ($$$) with it in our extreme 4 season climate. Sure you have glib answers for no or low initial costs to us poor fixed income citizens; what about ongoing maintenance we'll be stuck with??
Supported a comment by Paula Benson on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
Paula Benson
Is it true that you won't be able to "browse" books? All the books are mechanically brought out to you only upon request? I've heard this but it seems contrary to the whole point of the library which is to roam among books, look for and discover new books and resources, and enjoying the process as well as the reading. Will all our looking be done online?
Is it true that you won't be able to "browse" books? All the books are mechanically brought out to you only upon request? I've heard this but it seems contrary to the whole point of the library which is to roam among books, look for and discover new books and resources, and enjoying the process as well as the reading. Will all our looking be done online?
Supported a comment by Pam Brewer on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
Pam Brewer
A number if items are not included in the architectural costs, which is already way over budget. How does city plan on paying for this?
A number if items are not included in the architectural costs, which is already way over budget. How does city plan on paying for this?
Supported a comment by J Crowe on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
J Crowe
this building is beautiful but can but can Boise/Boise citizens afford it? On top of the current projected costs, has the city considered the cost of affordable parking for citizens? Has the city considered projected maintenance/utility costs for a south facing wall of windows in our desert climate? And has the City considered the cost of moving the Cabin which is all about the history of our community?
this building is beautiful but can but can Boise/Boise citizens afford it? On top of the current projected costs, has the city considered the cost of affordable parking for citizens? Has the city considered projected maintenance/utility costs for a south facing wall of windows in our desert climate? And has the City considered the cost of moving the Cabin which is all about the history of our community?
Supported a comment by Mary Wallace Dragone on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
Mary Wallace Dragone
The existing library is great and is paid for! This new space is expensive and appalling. Progress is not always better!
The existing library is great and is paid for! This new space is expensive and appalling. Progress is not always better!
Supported a comment by Christine King on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
Christine King
Can you tell us if CSHQA is being paid from that 11.1 million? Thank you.
Can you tell us if CSHQA is being paid from that 11.1 million? Thank you.
Supported a comment by Christine King on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
Christine King
Thank you for reminding us of the hazard glass poses to birds. I thought that southern glass wall would possibly cause blinding glare to drivers, didn't think about birds!
Thank you for reminding us of the hazard glass poses to birds. I thought that southern glass wall would possibly cause blinding glare to drivers, didn't think about birds!
Supported a comment by Alex Takasugi on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
Alex Takasugi
I would like to see thought and effort put into preventing bird collisions with all the glass window space. The American Bird Conservancy has ideas here: https://abcbirds.org/program/glass-collisions/learn-more/ Check out the "Resources for Architects, Planners and Develpers" section.
I would like to see thought and effort put into preventing bird collisions with all the glass window space. The American Bird Conservancy has ideas here: https://abcbirds.org/program/glass-collisions/learn-more/ Check out the "Resources for Architects, Planners and Develpers" section.
Supported a comment by April LOrange on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
April LOrange
I second Lynette. My husband worked in an all-glass building for years. 20° F difference between the sunny side and the shady side, and no HVAC system could fix it.
I second Lynette. My husband worked in an all-glass building for years. 20° F difference between the sunny side and the shady side, and no HVAC system could fix it.
Supported a comment by April LOrange on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
April LOrange
I agree with M. Thomas about the city reading all the comments. I'm still waiting for a single reply to any of the points I've raised. They only reply when they have a pat answer they feel makes them look good. Real "additional comments and questions" are ignored.
I agree with M. Thomas about the city reading all the comments. I'm still waiting for a single reply to any of the points I've raised. They only reply when they have a pat answer they feel makes them look good. Real "additional comments and questions" are ignored.
Supported a comment by April LOrange on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
April LOrange
I remain concerned about the arrangements for disabled parking. Even the inadequate amount of on-site parking loojs far enough away from the main entrance that we who are mobility-impaired but not in wheelchairs will be entirely unable to use the facility. Every time I raise the point, the only response is crickets.
I remain concerned about the arrangements for disabled parking. Even the inadequate amount of on-site parking loojs far enough away from the main entrance that we who are mobility-impaired but not in wheelchairs will be entirely unable to use the facility. Every time I raise the point, the only response is crickets.
Supported a comment by Thomas J Beatty on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 6 months ago
Thomas J Beatty
Is there a design for the public to review and consider (including costs) that does incorporate onsite parking (not near Biomark or the Foothills School site, but truly onsite) so that we can see what has already been seen by City officials? Possibly two alternatives: one with the Arts & History Dept accommodated, and one keeping them where they are or moving them to alternate facilities. In this way, I think we would feel part of the process, and not just blessing what has already been decided.
Is there a design for the public to review and consider (including costs) that does incorporate onsite parking (not near Biomark or the Foothills School site, but truly onsite) so that we can see what has already been seen by City officials? Possibly two alternatives: one with the Arts & History Dept accommodated, and one keeping them where they are or moving them to alternate facilities. In this way, I think we would feel part of the process, and not just blessing what has already been decided.
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Tammy Bixby
Here's the problem the city has led the architect to believe that we don't care about it according to Architects own words we shouldn't care
Here's the problem the city has led the architect to believe that we don't care about it according to Architects own words we shouldn't care
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Tammy Bixby
The bottom line is the price is ridiculous over-the-top just amazingly out of touch with what and who Boise is .
The bottom line is the price is ridiculous over-the-top just amazingly out of touch with what and who Boise is .
Supported a comment by Paul Forstie on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Paul Forstie
Why wasn't a locale architect used? 11.185 million for the architect is outrageous
Why wasn't a locale architect used? 11.185 million for the architect is outrageous
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
M. Thomas
Far too late, and expect the same poorly worded and slanted feedback questions designed to elicit the "positive sentiment" the City is using to justify this project.
Far too late, and expect the same poorly worded and slanted feedback questions designed to elicit the "positive sentiment" the City is using to justify this project.
Supported a comment by Thomas J Beatty on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Thomas J Beatty
Looking forward to the opportunity to make comments on the Schematic Design in the Spring of 2019. However, I am somewhat fearful that it may be too late for any but minor cosmetic changes, i.e. it appears the current design with NO onsite parking and in direct contrast to the aesthetics of surrounding structures. I would like to see some alternatives to the current design. It's a library, not the Guggenheim museum.
Looking forward to the opportunity to make comments on the Schematic Design in the Spring of 2019. However, I am somewhat fearful that it may be too late for any but minor cosmetic changes, i.e. it appears the current design with NO onsite parking and in direct contrast to the aesthetics of surrounding structures. I would like to see some alternatives to the current design. It's a library, not the Guggenheim museum.
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
M. Thomas
Well said! This project requires significant funds that the City does not have therefore causing an assumption of debt, and the people should have a vote on if and how to proceed. Bypassing citizen vote in favor of long-term lease financing is not acceptable!
Well said! This project requires significant funds that the City does not have therefore causing an assumption of debt, and the people should have a vote on if and how to proceed. Bypassing citizen vote in favor of long-term lease financing is not acceptable!
Supported a comment by Alex Jones on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Alex Jones
Can someone please explain why the city of Boise signed a 45 year lease in 2011 on the property right across 8th St and River St? The library expansion has been on the books since the early 2000s so why did the city give away 1.3 acres to such a long lease? Having this land incorporated into the new library design would alleviate the shoehorn effect and allow space for parking, preservation of the Cabin and the important riparian habitat along the Boise River. This whole library plan needs to go back to the drawing board, because, in spite of the current political climate, use of public funds requires public input and approval. That means open discussion, cost analyses and a public vote on the project. CCDC is not the entity that gets to make up the rules as it goes along anymore.
Can someone please explain why the city of Boise signed a 45 year lease in 2011 on the property right across 8th St and River St? The library expansion has been on the books since the early 2000s so why did the city give away 1.3 acres to such a long lease? Having this land incorporated into the new library design would alleviate the shoehorn effect and allow space for parking, preservation of the Cabin and the important riparian habitat along the Boise River. This whole library plan needs to go back to the drawing board, because, in spite of the current political climate, use of public funds requires public input and approval. That means open discussion, cost analyses and a public vote on the project. CCDC is not the entity that gets to make up the rules as it goes along anymore.
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Diane Plastino Graves
The election for Mayor, and for McLean, Clegg, and Ludwig is 11/5/19. Recuit and support candidates with another viewpoint. That is the only resolution to all these issues.
The election for Mayor, and for McLean, Clegg, and Ludwig is 11/5/19. Recuit and support candidates with another viewpoint. That is the only resolution to all these issues.
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Tammy Bixby
Whoohoo..thank you Amy
Whoohoo..thank you Amy
Supported a comment by Amy W on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Amy W
Agreed, well said. Today is the city council meeting, and their is a petition on change.org
Agreed, well said. Today is the city council meeting, and their is a petition on change.org
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
M. Thomas
It is alarming that we have not been presented with at minimum a 5-year forecast of the increase to maintenance & operation and personnel costs that this proposal would cause.
It is alarming that we have not been presented with at minimum a 5-year forecast of the increase to maintenance & operation and personnel costs that this proposal would cause.
Supported a comment by E.B. Schofield on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
E.B. Schofield
Boise really cannot afford this, yet another $650,000 to relocate a piece of history, when the Public Safety Bond is 100% over budget, this library project will drive the Capital Fund into a negative position (as stated in the 2019 Annual Budget), City Staff personnel costs rise every year, and areas of the City lack equal tax supported municipal services.
Boise really cannot afford this, yet another $650,000 to relocate a piece of history, when the Public Safety Bond is 100% over budget, this library project will drive the Capital Fund into a negative position (as stated in the 2019 Annual Budget), City Staff personnel costs rise every year, and areas of the City lack equal tax supported municipal services.
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
M. Thomas
Well said!
Excerpts from FY 2019 budget showing the City's choice to disregard their own prioritization process in favor of this project:
p. 16 "As part of the due diligence process, capital projects are subject to prioritization and must compete for limited resources."
p. 139 "In FY 2017, staff developed a process for prioritizing capital projects, however for the FY 2019 capital plan this process was not employed..."
Also interesting that the 57% vote on the 2006 proposed library bond is so close to the "56% favorable sentiment" reading from the July 2018 open house comments. I was assured by the Library Director during the open house that this library project would not move forward without an "overwhelmingly favorable" sentiment. A sentiment just slightly lower than vote for a failed bond attempt hardly seems "overwhelmingly favorable."
Well said!
Excerpts from FY 2019 budget showing the City's choice to disregard their own prioritization process in favor of this project:
p. 16 "As part of the due diligence process, capital projects are subject to prioritization and must compete for limited resources."
p. 139 "In FY 2017, staff developed a process for prioritizing capital projects, however for the FY 2019 capital plan this process was not employed..."
Also interesting that the 57% vote on the 2006 proposed library bond is so close to the "56% favorable sentiment" reading from the July 2018 open house comments. I was assured by the Library Director during the open house that this library project would not move forward without an "overwhelmingly favorable" sentiment. A sentiment just slightly lower than vote for a failed bond attempt hardly seems "overwhelmingly favorable."
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Tammy Bixby
Thank you Diane
Thank you Diane
Supported a comment by Sheila Robertson on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Sheila Robertson
For 85+ million I'm sure you can integrate the Cabin and the Library into a complex that would fit the needs of both. The two should be complementary and will careful thought to the outside design a place for outdoor readings and summer youth classes can be integrated. Your real problem will be parking!!
For 85+ million I'm sure you can integrate the Cabin and the Library into a complex that would fit the needs of both. The two should be complementary and will careful thought to the outside design a place for outdoor readings and summer youth classes can be integrated. Your real problem will be parking!!
Supported a comment by Pamela Quenemoen on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Pamela Quenemoen
Yes. I like that it's oriented toward the river. One questions -- as I was working on this, a bird crashed into the window of my house. It made me think about this building. While I do think it's a beautiful building, are there things you can do on the glass or in the design to prevent bird accidents? Because it's right by the river, all that reflective glass might be a big problem.
Yes. I like that it's oriented toward the river. One questions -- as I was working on this, a bird crashed into the window of my house. It made me think about this building. While I do think it's a beautiful building, are there things you can do on the glass or in the design to prevent bird accidents? Because it's right by the river, all that reflective glass might be a big problem.
Supported a comment by Elizabeth Rose on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Elizabeth Rose
I am excited about this project, and I love the multi-story design that better connects the library and Greenbelt. However, I am very concerned about the whether the design will be safe for birds. The images we see here, combined with a proposal for a green roof, are particularly threatening to birds who will be even more likely to strike windows when they are enticed upward by the green roof. I don't feel that the building would be truly environmentally sustainable with such a negative impact on birds in the adjacent wildlife corridor.
I am excited about this project, and I love the multi-story design that better connects the library and Greenbelt. However, I am very concerned about the whether the design will be safe for birds. The images we see here, combined with a proposal for a green roof, are particularly threatening to birds who will be even more likely to strike windows when they are enticed upward by the green roof. I don't feel that the building would be truly environmentally sustainable with such a negative impact on birds in the adjacent wildlife corridor.
Supported a comment by Pamela B. on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Pamela B.
The books and CDs. Currently I access a lot of library programs and want to make sure that those are not interrupted throughout this construction period. I'd also like to know what other aspects are available, a listing would be appreciated.
The books and CDs. Currently I access a lot of library programs and want to make sure that those are not interrupted throughout this construction period. I'd also like to know what other aspects are available, a listing would be appreciated.
Supported a comment by Ranelle Nabring on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Ranelle Nabring
The Cabin structure is very much at risk! How will they address the basement?
The Cabin structure is very much at risk! How will they address the basement?
Supported a comment by Lori Gibson Banducci on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Lori Gibson Banducci
I agree with Kathy Kustra--the cabin should be incorporated. Also, what are the plans with the glass to keep birds from flying into the windows?
I agree with Kathy Kustra--the cabin should be incorporated. Also, what are the plans with the glass to keep birds from flying into the windows?
Supported a comment by Thomas J Beatty on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Thomas J Beatty
Any chance the beautiful design can be re-worked to incorporate onsite parking? I fear that offsite parking will reduce library patronage: offsite parking will just be too inconvenient or patrons so I cut short their visit to qualify for fee parking. Maybe the 22,000 sq ft dedicated to the art & history group (why are they moving to the library?) can be allocated to parking. I just think that not even considering onsite parking is a major design failure. I'm sure a library design can be beautiful AND uncle onsite parking.
Any chance the beautiful design can be re-worked to incorporate onsite parking? I fear that offsite parking will reduce library patronage: offsite parking will just be too inconvenient or patrons so I cut short their visit to qualify for fee parking. Maybe the 22,000 sq ft dedicated to the art & history group (why are they moving to the library?) can be allocated to parking. I just think that not even considering onsite parking is a major design failure. I'm sure a library design can be beautiful AND uncle onsite parking.
Supported a comment by Thomas J Beatty on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Thomas J Beatty
I agree, David. And I still think the failure to include onsite parking in the (initial)design will not doom, but very much limit its usefulness.
I agree, David. And I still think the failure to include onsite parking in the (initial)design will not doom, but very much limit its usefulness.
Supported a comment by David Klinger on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
David Klinger
Thr sad reality is that the absence of sufficirnt parking in this library design will force the demolition of thr Foothills School building, just for thr construction of yet-another downtown parking deck to service the library. Too much “events center/library” being squeezed into too small a parcel of land hemmed in on three sides by major streets and a river. Poor siting will forever doom this oversized project to being a hard-to-reach venue that most Boiseans will avoid.
Thr sad reality is that the absence of sufficirnt parking in this library design will force the demolition of thr Foothills School building, just for thr construction of yet-another downtown parking deck to service the library. Too much “events center/library” being squeezed into too small a parcel of land hemmed in on three sides by major streets and a river. Poor siting will forever doom this oversized project to being a hard-to-reach venue that most Boiseans will avoid.
Supported a comment by Ann Carlson on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Ann Carlson
Glad to see that concerns about The Cabin and parking are being taken seriously. The community aspect of a public library cannot happen without parking that is proximate to the structure and free for at least two hours.
Glad to see that concerns about The Cabin and parking are being taken seriously. The community aspect of a public library cannot happen without parking that is proximate to the structure and free for at least two hours.
Supported a comment by Diann Stone on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Diann Stone
The huge set of steps is too foreboding and not welcoming! There needs to be ground level entry near any parking options. That's a lot of steps to walk up with children, and the ramp looks too long and tiring for anyone with ambulatory issues. If parking is off-site, there needs to be a public entrance at every side of the building. You cannot expect people to walk long distances in inclement weather to enter their public library. Any steps need to be clear of ice and snow Will geothermal heat or recirculated warm air be used to melt snow on stairs and walkways? Has underground parking been considered? Proximity to the river may make that impractical because of the water table. A public library us for the people to use and needs to be welcoming and easily accessible.
The huge set of steps is too foreboding and not welcoming! There needs to be ground level entry near any parking options. That's a lot of steps to walk up with children, and the ramp looks too long and tiring for anyone with ambulatory issues. If parking is off-site, there needs to be a public entrance at every side of the building. You cannot expect people to walk long distances in inclement weather to enter their public library. Any steps need to be clear of ice and snow Will geothermal heat or recirculated warm air be used to melt snow on stairs and walkways? Has underground parking been considered? Proximity to the river may make that impractical because of the water table. A public library us for the people to use and needs to be welcoming and easily accessible.
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Tammy Bixby
The problem with greenscaping or putting shrubs and trees in is at the back that is so mirrored and shiny and glass that you will have Birds committing suicide
The problem with greenscaping or putting shrubs and trees in is at the back that is so mirrored and shiny and glass that you will have Birds committing suicide
Supported a comment by Ann Carlson on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Ann Carlson
I strongly believe that The Cabin should be incorporated into the project. Free and adequate parking must be part of the project. Any offsite parking must be directly across the street. When these aspects are satisfactorily addressed, I wholeheartedly support expansion and enhancement of the downtown library. I a physical library has a viable future in our community.
I strongly believe that The Cabin should be incorporated into the project. Free and adequate parking must be part of the project. Any offsite parking must be directly across the street. When these aspects are satisfactorily addressed, I wholeheartedly support expansion and enhancement of the downtown library. I a physical library has a viable future in our community.
Supported a comment by Matthew Shapiro on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Matthew Shapiro
I believe that in order to magnify the value of the proposed facility, and to help justify its cost, the City and Library planners should strongly consider incorporating an innovative function. We need a permanent public space that is designed for the public to learn about issues, really get their minds around trends and possibilities, and weigh in on those. This is advanced public participation. Many years ago, such a space was proposed and called the "social planetarium". But no city has thus far created such a space, in spite of the fact that both the need and the science of interactive spaces and exhibits has advanced greatly. The Boise Commons, a local nonprofit (http://boisecommons.org) believes that Boise should take the initiative, setting an example for cities across America, and incorporate such a functionality and use of space into the new facility. This includes both dedicated space and programming, which we are happy to help create. Imagine a mini science museum focused not on physics but on social science, our public needs; imagine a mini historical museum focused not on the past, but on the present and the future. A new library space with built-in "social planetarium" (for lack of a better phrase yet) would be incredibly valuable to the community. Contact us for more information, because we have put a great deal of research and thought into it. Looking forward to working together. mshapiro@boisecommons.org
I believe that in order to magnify the value of the proposed facility, and to help justify its cost, the City and Library planners should strongly consider incorporating an innovative function. We need a permanent public space that is designed for the public to learn about issues, really get their minds around trends and possibilities, and weigh in on those. This is advanced public participation. Many years ago, such a space was proposed and called the "social planetarium". But no city has thus far created such a space, in spite of the fact that both the need and the science of interactive spaces and exhibits has advanced greatly. The Boise Commons, a local nonprofit (http://boisecommons.org) believes that Boise should take the initiative, setting an example for cities across America, and incorporate such a functionality and use of space into the new facility. This includes both dedicated space and programming, which we are happy to help create. Imagine a mini science museum focused not on physics but on social science, our public needs; imagine a mini historical museum focused not on the past, but on the present and the future. A new library space with built-in "social planetarium" (for lack of a better phrase yet) would be incredibly valuable to the community. Contact us for more information, because we have put a great deal of research and thought into it. Looking forward to working together. mshapiro@boisecommons.org
Supported a comment by Piper Cabaltera on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Piper Cabaltera
I am disappointed in the design; it is too modern for the area. Keep Boise's heritage as a frontier town while bringing it into the modern age. The current design is reminiscent of a dung beetle, not a library. Please reconsider and come up with something that fits the area better. Also, leave it as a library and stop adding additional uses into it, other than the standard meeting rooms that the libraries currently have. Thank you.
I am disappointed in the design; it is too modern for the area. Keep Boise's heritage as a frontier town while bringing it into the modern age. The current design is reminiscent of a dung beetle, not a library. Please reconsider and come up with something that fits the area better. Also, leave it as a library and stop adding additional uses into it, other than the standard meeting rooms that the libraries currently have. Thank you.
Supported a comment by Michael M. on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Michael M.
Where are the proposed 300 parking spaces going to be located. From the documentation, I do not see where any of these spaces can be located. A private development cannot be started downtown without incorporating parking. Why should the library be any different. Do we actually have a need for an auditorium of this size or another plaza. The library is for books, leave the meeting and entertainment venus to the grove plaza and the many auditoriums between BSU and downtown.
Where are the proposed 300 parking spaces going to be located. From the documentation, I do not see where any of these spaces can be located. A private development cannot be started downtown without incorporating parking. Why should the library be any different. Do we actually have a need for an auditorium of this size or another plaza. The library is for books, leave the meeting and entertainment venus to the grove plaza and the many auditoriums between BSU and downtown.
Supported a comment by Shervin Talieh on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Shervin Talieh
love the concept, but would ideally like to see The Cabin incorporated into it
love the concept, but would ideally like to see The Cabin incorporated into it
Supported a comment by Mark LaSalle on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Mark LaSalle
Please incorporate The Cabin into the final Library! design. It would be a catastrophic loss to Boise for The Cabin to go away.
Please incorporate The Cabin into the final Library! design. It would be a catastrophic loss to Boise for The Cabin to go away.
Supported a comment by Sheila Robertson on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Sheila Robertson
You should move the library to the old K-Mart location. More parking and less impact on the Cabin as well as the riparian area along the river.
You should move the library to the old K-Mart location. More parking and less impact on the Cabin as well as the riparian area along the river.
Supported a comment by Karry Fischer on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Karry Fischer
I think the current design for the Boise public library is beautiful. However, I have a few concerns. The entrance is intimidating for persons with mobility issues and mothers with multiple small children. I am also concerned with the absence of the cabin, it has historical significance and it supports literary programs that enhance a library environment. Finally, close parking must be an integral park of the design in order for me to support just a large investment of city resources. Thank you for all the hard work in improving our wonderful community.
I think the current design for the Boise public library is beautiful. However, I have a few concerns. The entrance is intimidating for persons with mobility issues and mothers with multiple small children. I am also concerned with the absence of the cabin, it has historical significance and it supports literary programs that enhance a library environment. Finally, close parking must be an integral park of the design in order for me to support just a large investment of city resources. Thank you for all the hard work in improving our wonderful community.
Supported a comment by Anna Lindquist on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Anna Lindquist
It would be nice to break up the concrete with more landscaping--preferably native, drought tolerant plantings--to avoid creating more of a heat island. The architecture is modern and stylish, but could be anywhere; let's tie it into the landscape by adding regionally appropriate plants to create a greater sense of place!
It would be nice to break up the concrete with more landscaping--preferably native, drought tolerant plantings--to avoid creating more of a heat island. The architecture is modern and stylish, but could be anywhere; let's tie it into the landscape by adding regionally appropriate plants to create a greater sense of place!
Supported a comment by Kati Durkin on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Kati Durkin
We should not go forward on any library plans without including The Cabin. It provides such a valuable service to our community- not just with camps and R&C, but by bringing authors to schools and giving students opportunities that no one else is. The building also has so much historic value that it shouldn’t be compromised for something that can be accomplished without removing the building.
We should not go forward on any library plans without including The Cabin. It provides such a valuable service to our community- not just with camps and R&C, but by bringing authors to schools and giving students opportunities that no one else is. The building also has so much historic value that it shouldn’t be compromised for something that can be accomplished without removing the building.
Supported a comment by Jessica Vuolo on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Jessica Vuolo
I attended the cabin as a young writer!! I have so many memories there and a published poem I love the atmosphere of the cabin and the natural history should not be diminished:(
I attended the cabin as a young writer!! I have so many memories there and a published poem I love the atmosphere of the cabin and the natural history should not be diminished:(
Supported a comment by Bob Marsh on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Bob Marsh
The new library design should incorporate the cabin into the design. The Cabin should not be moved. The programs are much too important for it to be shoved aside. The architect should have begun the process with the preservation of the building (Cabin) into it.
The new library design should incorporate the cabin into the design. The Cabin should not be moved. The programs are much too important for it to be shoved aside. The architect should have begun the process with the preservation of the building (Cabin) into it.
Supported a comment by Ellen Albus on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Ellen Albus
Love the beautiful design - we do not need another brown box! BUT, please have the architect find a way to incorporate the cabin, in it's present location, into the design. It is part of our rich heritage, and part of what makes Boise a great place to live. Also, I will not use the library if there is not adequate parking. There must be MORE parking than what is currently available, not less.
Love the beautiful design - we do not need another brown box! BUT, please have the architect find a way to incorporate the cabin, in it's present location, into the design. It is part of our rich heritage, and part of what makes Boise a great place to live. Also, I will not use the library if there is not adequate parking. There must be MORE parking than what is currently available, not less.
Supported a comment by Nancy werdel on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Nancy werdel
Please make sure the Cabin is able to continue its good work! It is such a critical component of Boise’s culture and identity.
Please make sure the Cabin is able to continue its good work! It is such a critical component of Boise’s culture and identity.
Supported a comment by Deborah Eisinger on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Deborah Eisinger
The Log Cabin has been part of my life for many years. I’ve attended many classes and gatherings there. It’s a wonderful old building and I’d hate to see it torn down. I’m also a long time member, appreciative of the programs the Cabin provides: Readings and Conversations, writers in the schools and the annual writing contest.
The Log Cabin has been part of my life for many years. I’ve attended many classes and gatherings there. It’s a wonderful old building and I’d hate to see it torn down. I’m also a long time member, appreciative of the programs the Cabin provides: Readings and Conversations, writers in the schools and the annual writing contest.
Supported a comment by Rae Redmon Schroder on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Rae Redmon Schroder
Please consider incorporating The Cabin into the main library design. It is an integral part of our community and the like-mindedness between the two make this an obvious decision.
Please consider incorporating The Cabin into the main library design. It is an integral part of our community and the like-mindedness between the two make this an obvious decision.
Supported a comment by Eric Oliver on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Eric Oliver
Please don't move the cabin! A new library and maintaining the history of the cabin are not mutually exclusive. Also, please consider choosing glass that has runners or other details to prevent bird deaths. Thank you!
Please don't move the cabin! A new library and maintaining the history of the cabin are not mutually exclusive. Also, please consider choosing glass that has runners or other details to prevent bird deaths. Thank you!
Supported a comment by Pamela Lowe on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Pamela Lowe
Do not move The Cabin. Reading and Conversations is my favorite program, however, The Cabin in general is one of the best things about Boise and its presence is integral to keeping Boise livable. Don't move it!
Do not move The Cabin. Reading and Conversations is my favorite program, however, The Cabin in general is one of the best things about Boise and its presence is integral to keeping Boise livable. Don't move it!
Supported a comment by MJ Surges-Prokop on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
MJ Surges-Prokop
Is our moniker "The City of Trees"? If so, consider designs that have more trees and less cement! Also, it seems like The Cabin could stay in it's current location by eliminating the grand cement entrance that is featured in the renderings. Please save the Cabin for history's sake. It is situated so nicely on the banks of the Boise River. Cabins belong on the river! It seems silly to feature The Cabin in the History and Arts "section" of the library! Just keep it! That's the best way to preserve history. Last, this proposed building seems much too large. I like to notice the capitol when I drive into Boise, not the library. Scale it back and find a happy medium for all.
Is our moniker "The City of Trees"? If so, consider designs that have more trees and less cement! Also, it seems like The Cabin could stay in it's current location by eliminating the grand cement entrance that is featured in the renderings. Please save the Cabin for history's sake. It is situated so nicely on the banks of the Boise River. Cabins belong on the river! It seems silly to feature The Cabin in the History and Arts "section" of the library! Just keep it! That's the best way to preserve history. Last, this proposed building seems much too large. I like to notice the capitol when I drive into Boise, not the library. Scale it back and find a happy medium for all.
Supported a comment by Mary Hindson on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Mary Hindson
I hope the City will take the Anne Frank Memorial, including the trees, into consideration when deciding whether to go forward with this exquisitely designed library. And make certain that the Cabin is preserved even if it needs to be moved to Julia Davis Park. The Human Rights Center, Memorial and yes, the trees have become a very important part of who we are as a city, as a culture. Don’t minimize that! Please.
I hope the City will take the Anne Frank Memorial, including the trees, into consideration when deciding whether to go forward with this exquisitely designed library. And make certain that the Cabin is preserved even if it needs to be moved to Julia Davis Park. The Human Rights Center, Memorial and yes, the trees have become a very important part of who we are as a city, as a culture. Don’t minimize that! Please.
Supported a comment by Margaret Koger on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Margaret Koger
Dear Friends deciding the fate of The Cabin, I am distressed that plans for keeping The Cabin in place were not seen to in the initial design. It seems an obvious step and I suspect an intentional oversight. If the city can buy nearby land for a parking lot, the city can extend a beautiful library around The Cabin. I believe the enthusiasm of a few people often directs projects without any initial input. I would love a new library building that welcomes nearby residents with the same convenience we have now. This includes having The Cabin stay where it is. Thank you for tallying my position and I hope to hear an improvement in the revised design will keep our proud city heritage of encouraging writers and readers alive.
Dear Friends deciding the fate of The Cabin, I am distressed that plans for keeping The Cabin in place were not seen to in the initial design. It seems an obvious step and I suspect an intentional oversight. If the city can buy nearby land for a parking lot, the city can extend a beautiful library around The Cabin. I believe the enthusiasm of a few people often directs projects without any initial input. I would love a new library building that welcomes nearby residents with the same convenience we have now. This includes having The Cabin stay where it is. Thank you for tallying my position and I hope to hear an improvement in the revised design will keep our proud city heritage of encouraging writers and readers alive.
Supported a comment by Sarah Michalec on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Sarah Michalec
It is a shame that the leadership of Boise felt that no talent existed west of the Mississippi to design a new library that would reflect the values of the local community. We do not need to compete with larger metropolitan areas such as Salt Lake City nor can we afford to. The Log Cabin, already well established as a cultural icon, needs to be incorporated into the plan. Housing the Department of Arts and History in the new library seems redundant since the State History and Art Museums are across the street and JUMP isn't far away. How about some creative thinking? What about a BSU department? Are there ways to share expenses with another entity?
It is a shame that the leadership of Boise felt that no talent existed west of the Mississippi to design a new library that would reflect the values of the local community. We do not need to compete with larger metropolitan areas such as Salt Lake City nor can we afford to. The Log Cabin, already well established as a cultural icon, needs to be incorporated into the plan. Housing the Department of Arts and History in the new library seems redundant since the State History and Art Museums are across the street and JUMP isn't far away. How about some creative thinking? What about a BSU department? Are there ways to share expenses with another entity?
Supported a comment by ROBERTA CROCKETT on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
ROBERTA CROCKETT
It's a big modern building, so why not make it a little taller and incorporate some floors of parking? Please do whatever redesign is necessary to preserve The Cabin is its current/historic location.
It's a big modern building, so why not make it a little taller and incorporate some floors of parking? Please do whatever redesign is necessary to preserve The Cabin is its current/historic location.
Supported a comment by Jessica Evett on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Jessica Evett
I urge the City to reconsider moving the Cabin Literary Center to a new location. The Cabin is a huge asset to the community and its proximity to the Library and historic structure is essential to its mission. I understand the need for a modern facility, but the Cabin in its current location is a reminder of our City’s history. I’m frustrated that the plans for the new library have put a thriving, valuable nonprofit in the position of fielding concerns from their supporters. The simplest step here would be to acknowledge the importance of community-based nonprofits with strong connections to public resources like the Library, and incorporate the Cabin’s current footprint into the vision for a new Library. As someone who works at a nonprofit in the downtown core, I fear that Boise’s explosive growth is going to push our organization out of our current space. Seeing the lack of consideration for the Cabin accentuates that fear. If you don’t support nonprofits that enhance our community’s engagement with the arts and with literature, you will put our arts and culture scene at risk. Please don’t put the burden of growth on a nonprofit that was built by members of our community.
I urge the City to reconsider moving the Cabin Literary Center to a new location. The Cabin is a huge asset to the community and its proximity to the Library and historic structure is essential to its mission. I understand the need for a modern facility, but the Cabin in its current location is a reminder of our City’s history. I’m frustrated that the plans for the new library have put a thriving, valuable nonprofit in the position of fielding concerns from their supporters. The simplest step here would be to acknowledge the importance of community-based nonprofits with strong connections to public resources like the Library, and incorporate the Cabin’s current footprint into the vision for a new Library. As someone who works at a nonprofit in the downtown core, I fear that Boise’s explosive growth is going to push our organization out of our current space. Seeing the lack of consideration for the Cabin accentuates that fear. If you don’t support nonprofits that enhance our community’s engagement with the arts and with literature, you will put our arts and culture scene at risk. Please don’t put the burden of growth on a nonprofit that was built by members of our community.
Supported a comment by Lori Kirk on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Lori Kirk
I feel strongly that The Cabin should be incorporated into the design and not moved.
I feel strongly that The Cabin should be incorporated into the design and not moved.
Supported a comment by Kathleen Rockne on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Kathleen Rockne
The Cabin is an iconic and beautiful part of Boise's history and should remain exactly where it is, with its gorgeous grounds intact. The new design is, how can we say it ... new, modern, lots of reflective surfaces for sure -- but surely the design team, with all their creative abilities, can come up with something that will be a little less flashy, a little more welcoming, a little more Boise. It would be a great loss to this community to no longer have the kind of historical flavor on Capitol Blvd. that is provided by The Cabin, as well as the Depot -- buildings that make the entrance to Boise special, unique -- not just one more glass-and-concrete surface to look at -- please leave it where it is and design around it, with respect for its integrity and for our City's heritage.
The Cabin is an iconic and beautiful part of Boise's history and should remain exactly where it is, with its gorgeous grounds intact. The new design is, how can we say it ... new, modern, lots of reflective surfaces for sure -- but surely the design team, with all their creative abilities, can come up with something that will be a little less flashy, a little more welcoming, a little more Boise. It would be a great loss to this community to no longer have the kind of historical flavor on Capitol Blvd. that is provided by The Cabin, as well as the Depot -- buildings that make the entrance to Boise special, unique -- not just one more glass-and-concrete surface to look at -- please leave it where it is and design around it, with respect for its integrity and for our City's heritage.
Supported a comment by Lydia Havens on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Lydia Havens
The Cabin is a crucial part of Boise's history and community. To exclude it from these layouts is a travesty, and I really hope the city of Boise will reconsider to allow The Cabin to stay where it is.
The Cabin is a crucial part of Boise's history and community. To exclude it from these layouts is a travesty, and I really hope the city of Boise will reconsider to allow The Cabin to stay where it is.
Supported a comment by Jodie Thiel on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Jodie Thiel
Keep the Cabin!
Keep the Cabin!
Supported a comment by Chance Anthony on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Chance Anthony
Do not move the cabin. Boise is growing like crazy and we have to keep out roots and protect our historical landmarks that make Boise so great and appealing. Make the modifications to the building plans to preserve this amazing place.
Do not move the cabin. Boise is growing like crazy and we have to keep out roots and protect our historical landmarks that make Boise so great and appealing. Make the modifications to the building plans to preserve this amazing place.
Supported a comment by Gaby Thomason on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Gaby Thomason
As with my first comment, primarily the inclusion of The Cabin in it's current/original location.
As with my first comment, primarily the inclusion of The Cabin in it's current/original location.
Supported a comment by Gaby Thomason on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Gaby Thomason
The building is beautiful and innovative, but I think should and could be altered successfully to maintain the inclusion of The Cabin in it's original space. Moving The Cabin from it's original location will be more expensive, diminish historical value, and dismiss the incredible (and growing) literary history/influence of Boise. It would be wonderful to see the design concept work with the current location of The Cabin.
The building is beautiful and innovative, but I think should and could be altered successfully to maintain the inclusion of The Cabin in it's original space. Moving The Cabin from it's original location will be more expensive, diminish historical value, and dismiss the incredible (and growing) literary history/influence of Boise. It would be wonderful to see the design concept work with the current location of The Cabin.
Supported a comment by Mary Wallace Dragone on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Mary Wallace Dragone
The existing library has everything I want and , oh yeah, It's already paid for! And the amount of money for the new space is obscene.
The existing library has everything I want and , oh yeah, It's already paid for! And the amount of money for the new space is obscene.
Supported a comment by Mary Wallace Dragone on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Supported a comment by Mary Wallace Dragone on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Mary Wallace Dragone
I think it replaces a really nice historic building along the river (log cabin) and eats the space up like a hungry monster.
I think it replaces a really nice historic building along the river (log cabin) and eats the space up like a hungry monster.
Supported a comment by Mary Wallace Dragone on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Mary Wallace Dragone
I would be too afraid, it is a large impersonal horrible modern building. I prefer the brick warehouse, it's cozy.
I would be too afraid, it is a large impersonal horrible modern building. I prefer the brick warehouse, it's cozy.
Supported a comment by Jessica Heggie on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Jessica Heggie
It is not unique to Boise, it looks like they recycled the Salt Lake library design. We are not Salt Lake, Boise should have its own “gateway”. The design should say library, you cannot tell what it is from the outside, it could be another corporate office building. Overall it’s disappointing considering, maybe someone from Boise should be designing it?
It is not unique to Boise, it looks like they recycled the Salt Lake library design. We are not Salt Lake, Boise should have its own “gateway”. The design should say library, you cannot tell what it is from the outside, it could be another corporate office building. Overall it’s disappointing considering, maybe someone from Boise should be designing it?
Supported a comment by Kristen Colter on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Kristen Colter
The orientation of the building seems odd to me. The entry plaza faces River Street, on the other side of which is the library's warehouse and a FedEx location. Seems odd to be opening out onto that! Seeing as how the main "gateway" is Capital, I wish the entry plaza was located on that street.
The orientation of the building seems odd to me. The entry plaza faces River Street, on the other side of which is the library's warehouse and a FedEx location. Seems odd to be opening out onto that! Seeing as how the main "gateway" is Capital, I wish the entry plaza was located on that street.
Supported a comment by Dawn Cronk on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Dawn Cronk
It looks enormous, what will the footprint be after the build? What about the cabin, where was that considered in the plan?
It looks enormous, what will the footprint be after the build? What about the cabin, where was that considered in the plan?
Supported a comment by Brooke Burton on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Brooke Burton
The current main library is nearest to my home and I like to pop in for brief visits and to browse or pick up items. This design looks prohibitive to popping in - with the lengthy entry area/ and expansive plaza, as well as parking across the street. I would probably stop using the main library regularly, and switch to browsing online and picking up items at the Bown Crossing branch instead. This design has no convenience to it for a library. I think it is very cool for arts and history and performance venue design.
The current main library is nearest to my home and I like to pop in for brief visits and to browse or pick up items. This design looks prohibitive to popping in - with the lengthy entry area/ and expansive plaza, as well as parking across the street. I would probably stop using the main library regularly, and switch to browsing online and picking up items at the Bown Crossing branch instead. This design has no convenience to it for a library. I think it is very cool for arts and history and performance venue design.
Supported a comment by Barbara Feichtinger on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Barbara Feichtinger
I like the classiness of it. Very striking visually. Except for the glass wall.
I like the classiness of it. Very striking visually. Except for the glass wall.
Supported a comment by Barbara Feichtinger on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Barbara Feichtinger
I think the building is beautiful! The part I am not wild about is the south facing glass wall. It is the least visually pleasing part of the project. I like the welcoming front entrance.
I think the building is beautiful! The part I am not wild about is the south facing glass wall. It is the least visually pleasing part of the project. I like the welcoming front entrance.
Supported a comment by Anne Olden on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Anne Olden
Not convinced this is important for the library
Not convinced this is important for the library
Supported a comment by Anne Olden on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Anne Olden
This is not important for the library
This is not important for the library
Supported a comment by Anne Olden on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Anne Olden
Appears to let in a lot of light. Not enough info to evaluate the interior.
Appears to let in a lot of light. Not enough info to evaluate the interior.
Supported a comment by Sharon Tabor on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Sharon Tabor
Programs for young children are always welcome in a library, possibly book groups, but again, the parking issue will likely impact usage.
Programs for young children are always welcome in a library, possibly book groups, but again, the parking issue will likely impact usage.
Supported a comment by Sharon Tabor on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Sharon Tabor
Didn't have a chance to add a comment here first; the traffic congestion past the library and onto the BSU campus got worse every year for the 18 years I taught there. There is little reason for BSU students to access a public library as the campus library is a fully stocked resource for students. So, again, who is perceiving that the public library has any connection to the campus? It might look good on paper to call this a cultural district, but what is the practical value in this linkage?
Didn't have a chance to add a comment here first; the traffic congestion past the library and onto the BSU campus got worse every year for the 18 years I taught there. There is little reason for BSU students to access a public library as the campus library is a fully stocked resource for students. So, again, who is perceiving that the public library has any connection to the campus? It might look good on paper to call this a cultural district, but what is the practical value in this linkage?
Supported a comment by Sharon Tabor on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Sharon Tabor
I have always loved libraries, and this is a beautiful design. However, I now almost exclusively borrow ebooks, obtained thru the Overdrive app. I am curious as to what % of the population actually uses the physical facility vs the e-collection. Will this just become an additional place for the homeless to hang out? We have so many expensive projects underway in Boise, it is hard to imagine what this is going to add to our tax bill, and for how long. Additionally, the idea of having to park a block or more away is very disturbing, and would likely limit some customer's ability to use the facility.
I have always loved libraries, and this is a beautiful design. However, I now almost exclusively borrow ebooks, obtained thru the Overdrive app. I am curious as to what % of the population actually uses the physical facility vs the e-collection. Will this just become an additional place for the homeless to hang out? We have so many expensive projects underway in Boise, it is hard to imagine what this is going to add to our tax bill, and for how long. Additionally, the idea of having to park a block or more away is very disturbing, and would likely limit some customer's ability to use the facility.
Supported a comment by David Klinger on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
David Klinger
Given the massiveness of this facility and its “forbidding” nature, I’m likely to stop going to the downtown library and shift to the Collister or Cole/Ustick branches. When I visit a library, I want a library ... not an “interactive meeting place,” “Lens Room,” gift shop, or rooftop mood bar. Call me old-fashioned, but I still believe in libraries, first-and-foremost, as libraries.
Given the massiveness of this facility and its “forbidding” nature, I’m likely to stop going to the downtown library and shift to the Collister or Cole/Ustick branches. When I visit a library, I want a library ... not an “interactive meeting place,” “Lens Room,” gift shop, or rooftop mood bar. Call me old-fashioned, but I still believe in libraries, first-and-foremost, as libraries.
Supported a comment by Suzanne Troje on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Suzanne Troje
No. There appears to be a lot of wasted space, too much concrete, too much encroachment on the natural river corridor, and too much pavement and steps to cross to get inside the building.
No. There appears to be a lot of wasted space, too much concrete, too much encroachment on the natural river corridor, and too much pavement and steps to cross to get inside the building.
Supported a comment by Suzanne Troje on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Suzanne Troje
Preservation of as much habitat along the river corridor as possible, including trees which i understand are planned for removal. Shade, gardens showcasing local and native plants. More study of the environmental impact of the building, including its effect on the river (e.g., water quality), wildlife (e.g., birds flying into the glass windows) and consideration of alternatives (including a smaller imprint with expanded and additional satellite libraries). Consider alternative locations to the art and history center (e.g., the museums across the street ) and the event space and utilizing and/or renovating existing structures. Consider the impact this development will have on the remaining view of the foothills -- which is perhaps a more iconic view associated with Boise.
Preservation of as much habitat along the river corridor as possible, including trees which i understand are planned for removal. Shade, gardens showcasing local and native plants. More study of the environmental impact of the building, including its effect on the river (e.g., water quality), wildlife (e.g., birds flying into the glass windows) and consideration of alternatives (including a smaller imprint with expanded and additional satellite libraries). Consider alternative locations to the art and history center (e.g., the museums across the street ) and the event space and utilizing and/or renovating existing structures. Consider the impact this development will have on the remaining view of the foothills -- which is perhaps a more iconic view associated with Boise.
Supported a comment by George Targee on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
George Targee
While it's a beautiful design I think it is way too costly and impractical for a city the size of Boise. I think we should spend less on outside design and more on improving the parking situation. I like and agree with the addition of branches, which also helps with the parking problem downtown.
While it's a beautiful design I think it is way too costly and impractical for a city the size of Boise. I think we should spend less on outside design and more on improving the parking situation. I like and agree with the addition of branches, which also helps with the parking problem downtown.
Supported a comment by Shannon Page on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Shannon Page
You can incorporate the Greenbelt and Boise River at the stadium location and at the CWI location and not force this large structure into the current location. Rather than being iconic, I think it would appear crammed into the current location. I like more open space around buildings.
You can incorporate the Greenbelt and Boise River at the stadium location and at the CWI location and not force this large structure into the current location. Rather than being iconic, I think it would appear crammed into the current location. I like more open space around buildings.
Supported a comment by Shannon Page on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Shannon Page
I'd like to see the City consider other locations for this current proposed structure. It might fit better in the location of the proposed stadium or CWI. It needs more space. Itmay be necessary to give up the notion of an iconic gateway to the city in order to meet the needs of the citizens regarding an accessible library with sufficient parking. If you located the main library at one of the other locations, you could retain the current library as a "Capitol branch."
I'd like to see the City consider other locations for this current proposed structure. It might fit better in the location of the proposed stadium or CWI. It needs more space. Itmay be necessary to give up the notion of an iconic gateway to the city in order to meet the needs of the citizens regarding an accessible library with sufficient parking. If you located the main library at one of the other locations, you could retain the current library as a "Capitol branch."
Supported a comment by Shannon Page on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Shannon Page
The openness of the structure is intriguing. It appears to look very much like Salt Lake City's library (same architect). Are we trying to keep up with the "big boys?" Not sure the structure fits the small space of the current library location. I don't want to see The Cabin moved from its location. I like the uniqueness and functionality of the structure but am not sure it belongs on Capitol Blvd. What about the CWI location?
The openness of the structure is intriguing. It appears to look very much like Salt Lake City's library (same architect). Are we trying to keep up with the "big boys?" Not sure the structure fits the small space of the current library location. I don't want to see The Cabin moved from its location. I like the uniqueness and functionality of the structure but am not sure it belongs on Capitol Blvd. What about the CWI location?
Supported a comment by Sally Mitchell on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Sally Mitchell
Yes, but it needs to incorporate The Cabin as well. It is important to preserve as much of our history as we can. Incorporating The Cabin in the plans is one easy way to do so.
Yes, but it needs to incorporate The Cabin as well. It is important to preserve as much of our history as we can. Incorporating The Cabin in the plans is one easy way to do so.
Supported a comment by Sally Mitchell on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Sally Mitchell
If I can bring my grandchildren to this library campus with easy access, I will be there every week. If not, we will be visiting the branch libraries.
If I can bring my grandchildren to this library campus with easy access, I will be there every week. If not, we will be visiting the branch libraries.
Supported a comment by Sally Mitchell on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Sally Mitchell
First and foremost, plans that include The Cabin. Also, better parking options. Until both are addressed and solved, I can't support this project.
First and foremost, plans that include The Cabin. Also, better parking options. Until both are addressed and solved, I can't support this project.
Supported a comment by Sally Mitchell on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Supported a comment by Sally Mitchell on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Sally Mitchell
I don't care for it. It's too expensive and does not provide enough parking and doesn't incorporate The Cabin.
I don't care for it. It's too expensive and does not provide enough parking and doesn't incorporate The Cabin.
Supported a comment by Amy W on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Amy W
We should not be so adamate about creating “new space”, we should focus on enhancement, restoration, and enabling. We have a historic theatre downtown, we have a performing arts center downtown, we have meeting spaces downtown. Let’s focus on adult learning, literacy, creative writing (keep the Cabin), GED completion, and community volunteer options. How are we providing space for the hearing impaired (classes? Signs?), what about the mobility challenged (why can’t employees travel from floor to floor?), and then there are many who visit and move here from other countries and other states. Where is the Idaho showcase of talent? Where is the transition for transplants who speak other languages?
We should not be so adamate about creating “new space”, we should focus on enhancement, restoration, and enabling. We have a historic theatre downtown, we have a performing arts center downtown, we have meeting spaces downtown. Let’s focus on adult learning, literacy, creative writing (keep the Cabin), GED completion, and community volunteer options. How are we providing space for the hearing impaired (classes? Signs?), what about the mobility challenged (why can’t employees travel from floor to floor?), and then there are many who visit and move here from other countries and other states. Where is the Idaho showcase of talent? Where is the transition for transplants who speak other languages?
Supported a comment by Amy W on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Amy W
The footprint is massive comparing to the buildings around it. Talk to any meteorologist and they will remind you that for every bit of concrete and asphalt you add next to a river, you change the micro climate by a few degrees. The size of the building should be considered a weather changer. Birds and fish are the larger species we think of, but so much more is going to be altered by such an enormous building.
The footprint is massive comparing to the buildings around it. Talk to any meteorologist and they will remind you that for every bit of concrete and asphalt you add next to a river, you change the micro climate by a few degrees. The size of the building should be considered a weather changer. Birds and fish are the larger species we think of, but so much more is going to be altered by such an enormous building.
Supported a comment by Amy W on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Amy W
I would go less because parking and walking during the winter, crossing a street, is just poor planning. I still can’t see where the bus stops are.
I would go less because parking and walking during the winter, crossing a street, is just poor planning. I still can’t see where the bus stops are.
Supported a comment by Amy W on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Amy W
The Mayor and City Council need to stop focusing on what “legacy” they will leave. We lost the beautiful flags in front of City Hall for some odd modern art of trees that we have down at the river. Let’s not get so lost in making a name for a political office, that we miss what the true needs are: multi-level parking, mature trees, better paid security to handle homeless and loitering, historic buildings to stay at original historic sites (The Cabin), pedestrian friendly (longer crossing time), and better selection of books. I always pick up extra books due to hands on browsing -but our downtown location has such odd organization and such huge empty spaces between sections, that it doesn’t invite me to browse.
The Mayor and City Council need to stop focusing on what “legacy” they will leave. We lost the beautiful flags in front of City Hall for some odd modern art of trees that we have down at the river. Let’s not get so lost in making a name for a political office, that we miss what the true needs are: multi-level parking, mature trees, better paid security to handle homeless and loitering, historic buildings to stay at original historic sites (The Cabin), pedestrian friendly (longer crossing time), and better selection of books. I always pick up extra books due to hands on browsing -but our downtown location has such odd organization and such huge empty spaces between sections, that it doesn’t invite me to browse.
Supported a comment by Amy W on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Amy W
I appreciate the idea to modernize a city library, but the reason I don’t currently frequent the downtown library is the hassle of parking. A parking structure a block away means a safety concern crossing the street. Why not have multi tier parking where the current spaces are. Also don’t forget that Boise City code calls for one mature tree to be planted for every single mature tree that you tear down for any construction. Shade is imperative for Boise, having a huge glass building that reflects a glare for people and humans is not conducive to a welcoming environment. Before the City Leaders decided to accelerate growth, we repaired and thoughtfully planned ahead. This seems rushed and like the rest of major projects proposed to be developed: too much like Seattle or LA and not enough like Boise.
I appreciate the idea to modernize a city library, but the reason I don’t currently frequent the downtown library is the hassle of parking. A parking structure a block away means a safety concern crossing the street. Why not have multi tier parking where the current spaces are. Also don’t forget that Boise City code calls for one mature tree to be planted for every single mature tree that you tear down for any construction. Shade is imperative for Boise, having a huge glass building that reflects a glare for people and humans is not conducive to a welcoming environment. Before the City Leaders decided to accelerate growth, we repaired and thoughtfully planned ahead. This seems rushed and like the rest of major projects proposed to be developed: too much like Seattle or LA and not enough like Boise.
Supported a comment by Colleen Taggart on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Colleen Taggart
Stunning design, but feels out of place with Boise Architecture. The building materials don't don't reflect Boise's outdoor vibe. What about the glass and energy conservation and the cost of heating and cooling. I too am disappointed you didn't figure out a way to incorporate The Cabin in its original location into this design or campus.
Stunning design, but feels out of place with Boise Architecture. The building materials don't don't reflect Boise's outdoor vibe. What about the glass and energy conservation and the cost of heating and cooling. I too am disappointed you didn't figure out a way to incorporate The Cabin in its original location into this design or campus.
Supported a comment by Nichole Di Dio on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Nichole Di Dio
Yes and no. I don't see paths to the library from the Greenbelt. Where would the bikes be locked up?
Yes and no. I don't see paths to the library from the Greenbelt. Where would the bikes be locked up?
Supported a comment by Adam Graham on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Adam Graham
Less often. Parking boondoggle will make going to other locations make more sense.
Less often. Parking boondoggle will make going to other locations make more sense.
Supported a comment by Adam Graham on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Adam Graham
More on-site parking. Garages are why I avoid the rest of downtown.
More on-site parking. Garages are why I avoid the rest of downtown.
Supported a comment by Adam Graham on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Adam Graham
It's hard to have an iconic design when what you're actually proposing is just so darn generic.
It's hard to have an iconic design when what you're actually proposing is just so darn generic.
Supported a comment by Mike Jones on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Mike Jones
Studies conducted on alternative sites that accommodate parking and traffic and future growth. Maybe rather than a showcase we could use more branches owned and operated by City in all areas of town. Again have the Auditorium District fund and build the auditorium separate from Library!
Studies conducted on alternative sites that accommodate parking and traffic and future growth. Maybe rather than a showcase we could use more branches owned and operated by City in all areas of town. Again have the Auditorium District fund and build the auditorium separate from Library!
Supported a comment by Glenda Jenkins on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Glenda Jenkins
Please work to include The Cabin in the design. Also, having enough parking is critical!
Please work to include The Cabin in the design. Also, having enough parking is critical!
Supported a comment by Michael Hamilton on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Michael Hamilton
Plenty of parking...
Plenty of parking...
Supported a comment by Glenda Jenkins on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Glenda Jenkins
It's very important to include the historical Cabin in the design. Also, enough parking is critical.
It's very important to include the historical Cabin in the design. Also, enough parking is critical.
Supported a comment by Glenda Jenkins on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Glenda Jenkins
The design incorporates the greenbelt and the Boise River, but also should include keeping The Cabin.
The design incorporates the greenbelt and the Boise River, but also should include keeping The Cabin.
Supported a comment by Janet Schlicht on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Janet Schlicht
There needs to be adequate parking close by. I also want to see the Cabin protected—it’s a very important part of our community.
There needs to be adequate parking close by. I also want to see the Cabin protected—it’s a very important part of our community.
Supported a comment by Colleen Brennan on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Colleen Brennan
Beautiful design, which should include the original log Cabin (Boise's literary arts center) between the library and the river. The Cabin has a rich history and programs that enrich the entire community; it must stay.
Beautiful design, which should include the original log Cabin (Boise's literary arts center) between the library and the river. The Cabin has a rich history and programs that enrich the entire community; it must stay.
Supported a comment by Ule Gould on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Ule Gould
We use other Boise libraries much more often than the downtown location due to access and parking.
We use other Boise libraries much more often than the downtown location due to access and parking.
Supported a comment by Mike Jones on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Mike Jones
I think you have the facility located in the wrong place. It should go where the planned baseball filed is being proposed at the St. Luke's K Mart property. We have an auditorium district that should be doing the auditorium not the city through its library. Go back to the drawing board and do a site assessment looking at multiple properties and conduct traffic studies. Don't try to fit the square peg into a round hole. Look to the future and not just the current use. I would hope that a world famous architect would be impartial to the current location and advise you to consider alternatives or was he tasked with fitting it in an existing space?
I think you have the facility located in the wrong place. It should go where the planned baseball filed is being proposed at the St. Luke's K Mart property. We have an auditorium district that should be doing the auditorium not the city through its library. Go back to the drawing board and do a site assessment looking at multiple properties and conduct traffic studies. Don't try to fit the square peg into a round hole. Look to the future and not just the current use. I would hope that a world famous architect would be impartial to the current location and advise you to consider alternatives or was he tasked with fitting it in an existing space?
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Tammy Bixby
Yes I agree with your statement and my thought is little by little they have totally weeded out these types of historical education. If you noticed walking around town or Boise Parks and Rec has high-handed they removed historic statues and the director of Boise parks and wrecked his excuse of his reason is that it's a gated historic monuments outdated come on give me a break who is he anyway to make such decisions?
Yes I agree with your statement and my thought is little by little they have totally weeded out these types of historical education. If you noticed walking around town or Boise Parks and Rec has high-handed they removed historic statues and the director of Boise parks and wrecked his excuse of his reason is that it's a gated historic monuments outdated come on give me a break who is he anyway to make such decisions?
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Tammy Bixby
Dan your comment by the way, is probably the best representation of the discouragement and the discussed so many of us feel that are not able to articulate in words thank you again for all of that
Dan your comment by the way, is probably the best representation of the discouragement and the discussed so many of us feel that are not able to articulate in words thank you again for all of that
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Tammy Bixby
I read your thoughtful comment and agree with you. The new design does not reflect in any way shape or form the forestry the beautifulness of the nature of the Grandeur of our beautiful city of trees
I read your thoughtful comment and agree with you. The new design does not reflect in any way shape or form the forestry the beautifulness of the nature of the Grandeur of our beautiful city of trees
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Diane Plastino Graves
No one knew Capitol Boulevard was going to be a significant spot, Mr. Safdie said last night? The early settlers congregated around it with their beautiful homes on Grove and Front and Broad, abutting Capitol Boulevard. The Statehouse gave prominence to our own grand boulevard on one end and the Depot on the other. And the historical museum, the art museum, and the cabin, reflecting our history in forestry, were put in the most acknowledged, important site in the City. The insensitive and unsympathetic nature of this man’s comments toward our community take my breath away. He, who demeans the heartfelt perspective of many, should not decide what goes on this beautiful site. I'd say this is a "failed search" for an architect and a building, and it should be started afresh. How about a mass-timbered building for the City of Trees? I know we are fast becoming the City of Steel, Concrete and Prefab, but let's not add to that dismay with a significant taxpayer-funded public building.
No one knew Capitol Boulevard was going to be a significant spot, Mr. Safdie said last night? The early settlers congregated around it with their beautiful homes on Grove and Front and Broad, abutting Capitol Boulevard. The Statehouse gave prominence to our own grand boulevard on one end and the Depot on the other. And the historical museum, the art museum, and the cabin, reflecting our history in forestry, were put in the most acknowledged, important site in the City. The insensitive and unsympathetic nature of this man’s comments toward our community take my breath away. He, who demeans the heartfelt perspective of many, should not decide what goes on this beautiful site. I'd say this is a "failed search" for an architect and a building, and it should be started afresh. How about a mass-timbered building for the City of Trees? I know we are fast becoming the City of Steel, Concrete and Prefab, but let's not add to that dismay with a significant taxpayer-funded public building.
Supported a comment by Thomas J Beatty on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Thomas J Beatty
How about above-ground parking, i.e. incorporating parking into the actual design of the building. And if the fire means less cars, you can convert any horizontal parking floors intovadditional library space. I really think any onsite parking solution was dismissed too early in the design process, and would strongly urge the City to take another look. If nothing else, use the 22,000 sq ft going to the Art & History group for parking and let them stay where they are or move into an alternative space. The Boise Library needs its own onsite parking, not some third-party deal across the street that only gives you a maximum of two hours of free parking.
How about above-ground parking, i.e. incorporating parking into the actual design of the building. And if the fire means less cars, you can convert any horizontal parking floors intovadditional library space. I really think any onsite parking solution was dismissed too early in the design process, and would strongly urge the City to take another look. If nothing else, use the 22,000 sq ft going to the Art & History group for parking and let them stay where they are or move into an alternative space. The Boise Library needs its own onsite parking, not some third-party deal across the street that only gives you a maximum of two hours of free parking.
Supported a comment by E.B. Schofield on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
E.B. Schofield
The 2018 City of Boise Citizen Survey data clearly show this type of project as a lesser priority, at this point in time. • Survey had nine (9) key areas representing different functions of government, ranked on a scale of 0 – 20. • Community services, which include libraries, came in 7th with a score of 8.82. This low ranking may be due to the fact that the City recently spent $8.5 million on the Harris Ranch/Southeast branch library in 2017, and that library expenditures historically tend not to rank high for Boise citizens, per the 57% vote on the 2006 proposed library bond.
The 2018 City of Boise Citizen Survey data clearly show this type of project as a lesser priority, at this point in time. • Survey had nine (9) key areas representing different functions of government, ranked on a scale of 0 – 20. • Community services, which include libraries, came in 7th with a score of 8.82. This low ranking may be due to the fact that the City recently spent $8.5 million on the Harris Ranch/Southeast branch library in 2017, and that library expenditures historically tend not to rank high for Boise citizens, per the 57% vote on the 2006 proposed library bond.
Supported a comment by Margaret Koger on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Margaret Koger
I should think they could raise the main library and put a parking lot under it so we could park and see the greenbelt from the new facility.
I should think they could raise the main library and put a parking lot under it so we could park and see the greenbelt from the new facility.
Supported a comment by David Klinger on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
David Klinger
Left unspoken in the City of Boise’s reply to this question is the fact that “working with an adjacent property on plans for a parking garage” translates into tearing down another historic structure across the street that currently houses an elementary school (the Foothills School) to build yet another parking garage in our downtown core that’s sterile and goes dead at night. The “City of Trees” must not become “The City of Parking Garages”.
Left unspoken in the City of Boise’s reply to this question is the fact that “working with an adjacent property on plans for a parking garage” translates into tearing down another historic structure across the street that currently houses an elementary school (the Foothills School) to build yet another parking garage in our downtown core that’s sterile and goes dead at night. The “City of Trees” must not become “The City of Parking Garages”.
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
M. Thomas
Agree. We need to see a lot more information about the funding and long-term m&o and personnel costs.
Agree. We need to see a lot more information about the funding and long-term m&o and personnel costs.
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
M. Thomas
If we are going to copy SLC, let's start with their process. Bring a funding levy to the people first. Then offer multiple design concepts from multiple architectural firms for consideration. Truly work with residents and listen to patrons.
If we are going to copy SLC, let's start with their process. Bring a funding levy to the people first. Then offer multiple design concepts from multiple architectural firms for consideration. Truly work with residents and listen to patrons.
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Tammy Bixby
Exactly makes me wonder just what the heck is going on around here again you cannot help but think that there must be some backdoor dealings for such an ostentatious horrific thing to be even considered.
Exactly makes me wonder just what the heck is going on around here again you cannot help but think that there must be some backdoor dealings for such an ostentatious horrific thing to be even considered.
Supported a comment by Christine King on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Christine King
If the city had been concerned about "balancing the needs of . . . the greater community good", we would have been presented with options BEFORE this plan had been unveiled. The city would have known costs to relocate the cabin in order to still be used by The Cabin would be closer to twice the amount the city originally pitched. You are correct that this proposal is out of balance--it is all about glossy magazines touting Boise as the nation's convention destination and Bieter's ego. Exactly why the baseball stadium was originally planned so close to downtown rather than the more manageable location now being considered.
If the city had been concerned about "balancing the needs of . . . the greater community good", we would have been presented with options BEFORE this plan had been unveiled. The city would have known costs to relocate the cabin in order to still be used by The Cabin would be closer to twice the amount the city originally pitched. You are correct that this proposal is out of balance--it is all about glossy magazines touting Boise as the nation's convention destination and Bieter's ego. Exactly why the baseball stadium was originally planned so close to downtown rather than the more manageable location now being considered.
Supported a comment by Connie Bollinger on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Connie Bollinger
I agree completely with Bonnie Zimmerman's comments on Nov. 20. The proposed library is too big and too expensive. Smaller amounts of money should be spent on branch libraries like Bown or Cole and Ustick, which have better access and lots of free parking.
I agree completely with Bonnie Zimmerman's comments on Nov. 20. The proposed library is too big and too expensive. Smaller amounts of money should be spent on branch libraries like Bown or Cole and Ustick, which have better access and lots of free parking.
Supported a comment by bonnie zimmerman on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
bonnie zimmerman
How many of the in favor of boise spending millions of dollars to highlight boise downtown will ever go to the new library. I live downtown boise. I will go to the library a couple of times a month. My friends and family do not like to come downtown and pay for parking. People from out of town may visit once. We have a library, a history museum, an art gallery, and many locations for conferences. Boise is already a beautiful place, we don’t need someone else’s idea of what we need and what they think is glamorous.we definitely don’t need multiple years of construction ruining the best part of boise, the green belt. What will it look like in a couple of years when we run out of money. It is already too expensive to live in boise,
How many of the in favor of boise spending millions of dollars to highlight boise downtown will ever go to the new library. I live downtown boise. I will go to the library a couple of times a month. My friends and family do not like to come downtown and pay for parking. People from out of town may visit once. We have a library, a history museum, an art gallery, and many locations for conferences. Boise is already a beautiful place, we don’t need someone else’s idea of what we need and what they think is glamorous.we definitely don’t need multiple years of construction ruining the best part of boise, the green belt. What will it look like in a couple of years when we run out of money. It is already too expensive to live in boise,
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Tammy Bixby
My advice to the city in all the powers-that-be is a better carefully cross their T's and Dot their eyes because we're watching and looking and we're listening and we're done with it
My advice to the city in all the powers-that-be is a better carefully cross their T's and Dot their eyes because we're watching and looking and we're listening and we're done with it
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Tammy Bixby
What the city needs to addresses the fact that nobody wants this do we not have a voice. This is why there is a coalition forming to strike against the city for the handedness their high-handedness whatever you want to call it we're sick of it
What the city needs to addresses the fact that nobody wants this do we not have a voice. This is why there is a coalition forming to strike against the city for the handedness their high-handedness whatever you want to call it we're sick of it
Supported a comment by Susan Chaloupka on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Susan Chaloupka
The City of Boise constantly says "thanks for sharing your concerns" but you don't really seem to care...because the City of Boise won't do anything other than what it wants. You can mitigate bird strikes by not putting a huge glass structure on the river, rather than addressing it in "the schematic design phase of the project". Please re-think this project.
The City of Boise constantly says "thanks for sharing your concerns" but you don't really seem to care...because the City of Boise won't do anything other than what it wants. You can mitigate bird strikes by not putting a huge glass structure on the river, rather than addressing it in "the schematic design phase of the project". Please re-think this project.
Supported a comment by Kathy Crowley on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Kathy Crowley
Once again, I want to reiterate the need to protect the birds especially since the project is adjacent to our most valuable natural resource, the Boise River! The river is a sanctuary for a multitude of species. We need to be cognizant of the importance of maintaining habitat while meeting the needs of the community. Our song birds are declining in number. Let's protect them as well as our birds of prey and others.
Once again, I want to reiterate the need to protect the birds especially since the project is adjacent to our most valuable natural resource, the Boise River! The river is a sanctuary for a multitude of species. We need to be cognizant of the importance of maintaining habitat while meeting the needs of the community. Our song birds are declining in number. Let's protect them as well as our birds of prey and others.
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
M. Thomas
Expansion of the adjacent South 8th Street Historic District would provide protection for these buildings. This area is already included in a CCDC urban renewal district. The two district designations often overlap in the downtown area.
Expansion of the adjacent South 8th Street Historic District would provide protection for these buildings. This area is already included in a CCDC urban renewal district. The two district designations often overlap in the downtown area.
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Diane Plastino Graves
Any new District will not stop demolition of any buildings we love. In fact, it will be enhanced by the District, since the City will want new buildings that pay greater taxes into the District.
Any new District will not stop demolition of any buildings we love. In fact, it will be enhanced by the District, since the City will want new buildings that pay greater taxes into the District.
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
M. Thomas
One of the many reasons that the South 8th Street / Warehouse District needs to be extended all the way to the river.
One of the many reasons that the South 8th Street / Warehouse District needs to be extended all the way to the river.
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Tammy Bixby
I couldn't agree more you said exactly how I feel at most the people I have interacted with about this monsters ostentatious hideous building design they have plans
I couldn't agree more you said exactly how I feel at most the people I have interacted with about this monsters ostentatious hideous building design they have plans
Supported a comment by Mary Wallace Dragone on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Mary Wallace Dragone
What is the obsession with collaborative meeting spaces? We already have rooms for that in the current library .
What is the obsession with collaborative meeting spaces? We already have rooms for that in the current library .
Supported a comment by Alex Jones on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Alex Jones
Of course the Cabin is at risk! The Cabin belongs to the people of Boise...not the literary society that has made the building home for 20+ years... Stop whitewashing this issue. The Cabin needs to stay where it is and the new library design needs to accommodate the historic and VERY local significance of that structure. City of Boise seems committed to the avarice and ambition of developers and their "monetization of things" above any true desire to preserve and protect what has made this city viable. It was the warring factions in past Boise politics that made the downtown a "ghost town" and we are seeing this play out again... the library design is overbearing and the fantasy of Kevin Booer and David Bieter. Lets get some perspective and recognize that the populace is "woke."
Of course the Cabin is at risk! The Cabin belongs to the people of Boise...not the literary society that has made the building home for 20+ years... Stop whitewashing this issue. The Cabin needs to stay where it is and the new library design needs to accommodate the historic and VERY local significance of that structure. City of Boise seems committed to the avarice and ambition of developers and their "monetization of things" above any true desire to preserve and protect what has made this city viable. It was the warring factions in past Boise politics that made the downtown a "ghost town" and we are seeing this play out again... the library design is overbearing and the fantasy of Kevin Booer and David Bieter. Lets get some perspective and recognize that the populace is "woke."
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
M. Thomas
Well said! If city leaders were truly invested in maintaining the Cabin's historic designation, there would be no talk of relocating or even encroaching on the Cabin's current space. This entire library campus proposal is out of balance.
Well said! If city leaders were truly invested in maintaining the Cabin's historic designation, there would be no talk of relocating or even encroaching on the Cabin's current space. This entire library campus proposal is out of balance.
Supported a comment by bonnie zimmerman on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
bonnie zimmerman
The bicycle and pedestrian access to downtown is vital for access to parks, downtown. It provides a safe way for all of boise to access downtown.
The bicycle and pedestrian access to downtown is vital for access to parks, downtown. It provides a safe way for all of boise to access downtown.
Supported a comment by Colby Spath on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
Colby Spath
If it’s the same as the designs already released there’s a blind 90* right turn in that accessibility which will cause accidents and injuries...
If it’s the same as the designs already released there’s a blind 90* right turn in that accessibility which will cause accidents and injuries...
Supported a comment by George Targee on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 7 months ago
George Targee
There is already a beautiful event center located in Barber Park, with lots of parking - it goes unused most of the time.
There is already a beautiful event center located in Barber Park, with lots of parking - it goes unused most of the time.
Supported a comment by Susan Chaloupka on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Susan Chaloupka
What can the citizens of Boise do to stop this from happening.? It is a bird killing, glass and cement structure that is not appropriate on the Greenbelt. You say you want input, but don't seem to care what anyone says. I want a library that is easily accessible. Please put your events center elsewhere., and save the citizens of Boise a huge amount of money.
What can the citizens of Boise do to stop this from happening.? It is a bird killing, glass and cement structure that is not appropriate on the Greenbelt. You say you want input, but don't seem to care what anyone says. I want a library that is easily accessible. Please put your events center elsewhere., and save the citizens of Boise a huge amount of money.
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
M. Thomas
Great comments. I wish City Council and the Library planning committee would take the time to read through all of the comments here.
Great comments. I wish City Council and the Library planning committee would take the time to read through all of the comments here.
Supported a comment by Kelee Newhall on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Kelee Newhall
Where is the parking? Underground? Parking already limited with smaller library footprint... This is a similar design to Cerritos CA library 21st century update. They provided ample parking both above and below ground.
Where is the parking? Underground? Parking already limited with smaller library footprint... This is a similar design to Cerritos CA library 21st century update. They provided ample parking both above and below ground.
Supported a comment by michael munfs on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
michael munfs
If the idea is to put up as much shiny surface material as the city can afford, enclose the Library! and parking lot in an inflated plastic dome.
If the idea is to put up as much shiny surface material as the city can afford, enclose the Library! and parking lot in an inflated plastic dome.
Supported a comment by Ranelle Nabring on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Ranelle Nabring
Wow, I did not realize that The Cabin had recently undergone ADA upgrades. That's not something to overlook! I really think the design undermines a piece of history and overlooks what many Boiseans hold to be dear about our downtown core. Urban Renewal all over again! Save this jewel and piece of our history!
Wow, I did not realize that The Cabin had recently undergone ADA upgrades. That's not something to overlook! I really think the design undermines a piece of history and overlooks what many Boiseans hold to be dear about our downtown core. Urban Renewal all over again! Save this jewel and piece of our history!
Supported a comment by Pamela B. on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Pamela B.
Accessibility. All abilities should feel welcomed into a public space. Would also want to make sure bird safety is ensured. I like the river but do not depend on it to live like a bird does.
Accessibility. All abilities should feel welcomed into a public space. Would also want to make sure bird safety is ensured. I like the river but do not depend on it to live like a bird does.
Supported a comment by Nichole Di Dio on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Nichole Di Dio
Professional development events, rooms for writers and researchers in the community to use. Community gardens maybe so our community can have a place to learn how to garden? I'm also curious how the homeless population that regularly visits the current Main library on HOT and COLD days can be better served... could there be a social worker on site? I'd also like to see collections that honestly reflect our past in Idaho and encourages us to learn from those mistakes and heartbreaks. I'd like there to be a continuous effort to introduce the community to new and modern technology and learning tools.
Professional development events, rooms for writers and researchers in the community to use. Community gardens maybe so our community can have a place to learn how to garden? I'm also curious how the homeless population that regularly visits the current Main library on HOT and COLD days can be better served... could there be a social worker on site? I'd also like to see collections that honestly reflect our past in Idaho and encourages us to learn from those mistakes and heartbreaks. I'd like there to be a continuous effort to introduce the community to new and modern technology and learning tools.
Supported a comment by Neil Luther on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Neil Luther
Images for the design are not completely clear but I have concerns over green belt access for cyclists vs pedestrians. So long as there is clear and safe access to the river and greenbelt I don't see an issue.
Images for the design are not completely clear but I have concerns over green belt access for cyclists vs pedestrians. So long as there is clear and safe access to the river and greenbelt I don't see an issue.
Supported a comment by Jay Carlisle on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Jay Carlisle
Very attractive but I fear that the shear amount of windows - especially being so close to the river and nearby riparian habitat - will impact birds via window strikes.
Very attractive but I fear that the shear amount of windows - especially being so close to the river and nearby riparian habitat - will impact birds via window strikes.
Supported a comment by Dave T. on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Dave T.
No more than the current library already does. The current main library already has access to the Greenbelt and the Boise River is just beyond that. I don’t see how this new design incorporates either of those any differently than they are now. I do not see a large patio or outdoor space going all the way up to the river in this design.
No more than the current library already does. The current main library already has access to the Greenbelt and the Boise River is just beyond that. I don’t see how this new design incorporates either of those any differently than they are now. I do not see a large patio or outdoor space going all the way up to the river in this design.
Supported a comment by Frances Capell on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Frances Capell
Author events, writing classes, English as second language
Author events, writing classes, English as second language
Supported a comment by Jessica Howell on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Jessica Howell
This is Boise, not Los Angeles. The proposed development is an eye sore and discounts the historical and cultural significance of The Cabin. This is so disappointing.
This is Boise, not Los Angeles. The proposed development is an eye sore and discounts the historical and cultural significance of The Cabin. This is so disappointing.
Supported a comment by Connie Bollinger on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Connie Bollinger
I think the project is too fancy and too expensive. The one thing that keeps me from coming to the main library is the terrible access, limited parking, and getting into and out of the parking lot. I have not seen these addressed in the plan. And, the Cabin belongs where it is! The headlong rush to change Boise from what it has been to something else will be regretted.
I think the project is too fancy and too expensive. The one thing that keeps me from coming to the main library is the terrible access, limited parking, and getting into and out of the parking lot. I have not seen these addressed in the plan. And, the Cabin belongs where it is! The headlong rush to change Boise from what it has been to something else will be regretted.
Supported a comment by David Klinger on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
David Klinger
Jared O, and others, I understand why you’re “on the fence” about “The Cabin’s” pending move. Let me take a stab at it. First, you really have to believe that history matters ... where it happened ... and that history moved is hustory diminished. “The Cabin” and its site (along with the other log structure on the other end of the 1931 Capitol Boulevard Bridge, which was the Boise CCC District headquarters and is now an Italian restaurant) formed the “cradle of forestry” in Idaho during the New Deal. Forestry was professionalized and 28,000 boys in FDR’s “Tree Army” were managed from these little cabins. When you move historic structures off of historic sites, their “integrity of place” is lost. Henry Ford’s Greenfield Village in Dearborn is full of historic buildings relocated from all across the U.S. Yes, buildings have been kept but context has been sacrificed. What is left is a Disneyland-like “cartoon” of history. Second, there is no compelling reason to move “The Cabin” since it’s not in the footprint of the new library structure or proposed for parking. It could be evicted solely to gain a lawn, a small patio, and a view of the Boise River (presuming trees are cut). A costly move of “The Cabin” takes money away from the budget for a new library and boosts the tab taxpayers will pay. Hardly a good deal. Take a second look.
Jared O, and others, I understand why you’re “on the fence” about “The Cabin’s” pending move. Let me take a stab at it. First, you really have to believe that history matters ... where it happened ... and that history moved is hustory diminished. “The Cabin” and its site (along with the other log structure on the other end of the 1931 Capitol Boulevard Bridge, which was the Boise CCC District headquarters and is now an Italian restaurant) formed the “cradle of forestry” in Idaho during the New Deal. Forestry was professionalized and 28,000 boys in FDR’s “Tree Army” were managed from these little cabins. When you move historic structures off of historic sites, their “integrity of place” is lost. Henry Ford’s Greenfield Village in Dearborn is full of historic buildings relocated from all across the U.S. Yes, buildings have been kept but context has been sacrificed. What is left is a Disneyland-like “cartoon” of history. Second, there is no compelling reason to move “The Cabin” since it’s not in the footprint of the new library structure or proposed for parking. It could be evicted solely to gain a lawn, a small patio, and a view of the Boise River (presuming trees are cut). A costly move of “The Cabin” takes money away from the budget for a new library and boosts the tab taxpayers will pay. Hardly a good deal. Take a second look.
Supported a comment by David Klinger on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
David Klinger
I’ve spoken with a number of Boiseans over the past few weeks who’ve told me, “My father (or grandfather or uncle) worked for the CCC in the 1930s in Idaho and liked the place so much he decided to stay”. Several added, “My dad helped build that cabin”. Still others came up to us and said, “When we were elementary school kids who came to Boise on our class tour of the state capital, one of our stops was the state forester’s office in ‘The Cabin,’ where we learned about trees and fire and natural history”. I think there’s a lot of history on that site. Many just don’t know it, or have forgotten it. The proposal for the new library gives us the opportunity to rekindle that conversation.
I’ve spoken with a number of Boiseans over the past few weeks who’ve told me, “My father (or grandfather or uncle) worked for the CCC in the 1930s in Idaho and liked the place so much he decided to stay”. Several added, “My dad helped build that cabin”. Still others came up to us and said, “When we were elementary school kids who came to Boise on our class tour of the state capital, one of our stops was the state forester’s office in ‘The Cabin,’ where we learned about trees and fire and natural history”. I think there’s a lot of history on that site. Many just don’t know it, or have forgotten it. The proposal for the new library gives us the opportunity to rekindle that conversation.
Supported a comment by David Klinger on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
David Klinger
The other compelling case against moving “The Cabin,” Jared O. and others, is one that isn’t immediately apparent to many newcomers to Boise, of which we have a rapidly increasing amount. There has been a terrific cumulative loss of historic structures in Boise, stretching back decades or longer. We’d be happy to share with you the lengthy, lengthy list of historic buildings that have either been demolished or moved in this city, under a policy that basically says, “Move it ... or lose it!” That’s not an enlightened policy ... certainly not one that a city that claims the mantle of “America’s Most Livable City” can continue to perpetuate. We think it’s time for new thinking and a new approach ... one that respects history and that declines to regard structures of significance to this city’s heritage as merely “inconveniences” to be pushed aside with little regard for impact on Boise’s history. History belongs where it happened. And a city like Boise, that has much less accumulated history than, say, a Boston or a Philadelphia, needs to conserve what it does possess with even greater tenacity than cities blessed with a longer municipal life. Boise can no longer regard its history as an annoyance; it ought to be capitalizing on it as an economic driver. And that starts with “The Cabin” being the “line in the sand.”
The other compelling case against moving “The Cabin,” Jared O. and others, is one that isn’t immediately apparent to many newcomers to Boise, of which we have a rapidly increasing amount. There has been a terrific cumulative loss of historic structures in Boise, stretching back decades or longer. We’d be happy to share with you the lengthy, lengthy list of historic buildings that have either been demolished or moved in this city, under a policy that basically says, “Move it ... or lose it!” That’s not an enlightened policy ... certainly not one that a city that claims the mantle of “America’s Most Livable City” can continue to perpetuate. We think it’s time for new thinking and a new approach ... one that respects history and that declines to regard structures of significance to this city’s heritage as merely “inconveniences” to be pushed aside with little regard for impact on Boise’s history. History belongs where it happened. And a city like Boise, that has much less accumulated history than, say, a Boston or a Philadelphia, needs to conserve what it does possess with even greater tenacity than cities blessed with a longer municipal life. Boise can no longer regard its history as an annoyance; it ought to be capitalizing on it as an economic driver. And that starts with “The Cabin” being the “line in the sand.”
Supported a comment by John Bertram on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
John Bertram
The CABIN is an important historic component of Capitol Boulevard and must remain at its original 1940 location. Very unfortunate that Mayor and Council recently approved a long term lease for the adjacent city owned property that should be part of the new library's parking solution. Face the foolish lease and buy it out. Don't cut down Greenbelt trees-they are part of the Boise River habitat.
The CABIN is an important historic component of Capitol Boulevard and must remain at its original 1940 location. Very unfortunate that Mayor and Council recently approved a long term lease for the adjacent city owned property that should be part of the new library's parking solution. Face the foolish lease and buy it out. Don't cut down Greenbelt trees-they are part of the Boise River habitat.
Supported a comment by John Magnan on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
John Magnan
Coming from a larger city, the best libraries were the small local ones. Easy parking, people walked to them, cozy scale for families and small community gatherings. This project is a boondoggle calling itself a library. I promise it will have a plaque with the mayors name on it if it is completed, and our taxes will go up bit by bit. I am not anti-taxes but what if we put those funds towards creating the countries most bike-able and walk-able city? Those are the trade-offs. Also, lets think about changing our library structure to fit today's lifestyle. Honestly, the worst part of getting a book from the library is going to the library- driving, parking, searching for your book, and the downtown location is the worst to get to with traffic. If you want to run a great service, let me order a book online I will pay for delivery and return, use shipping boxes that we can reuse over and over. Community center? JUMP is a couple blocks away. More books? How about sharing resources with BSU's library? Let's look forward and build this city different from others rather than copying them.
Coming from a larger city, the best libraries were the small local ones. Easy parking, people walked to them, cozy scale for families and small community gatherings. This project is a boondoggle calling itself a library. I promise it will have a plaque with the mayors name on it if it is completed, and our taxes will go up bit by bit. I am not anti-taxes but what if we put those funds towards creating the countries most bike-able and walk-able city? Those are the trade-offs. Also, lets think about changing our library structure to fit today's lifestyle. Honestly, the worst part of getting a book from the library is going to the library- driving, parking, searching for your book, and the downtown location is the worst to get to with traffic. If you want to run a great service, let me order a book online I will pay for delivery and return, use shipping boxes that we can reuse over and over. Community center? JUMP is a couple blocks away. More books? How about sharing resources with BSU's library? Let's look forward and build this city different from others rather than copying them.
Supported a comment by Heidi Forney on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Heidi Forney
#1. This design does not take into consideration the elderly and disabled of our community. With only a few parking spaces on site, it will be difficult to access the library for those who have problems with walking, especially with the ramps, steps, etc in this kind of design. When you add to it that you are planning a multi-story parking garage across the street, with "maybe" an hour of free parking when it already takes the disabled longer to mobilize where they are going is ridiculous. Then, when it is snow and ice season the sidewalks and streets are even harder to maneuver, or when it is hot and smokey out it is downright dangerous for typical people let alone the disabled. This is a poorly thought out and inappropriate plan. #2. The Cabin is historically significant in its current location. It should remain where it is, and had you chosen a local or regional architect instead of some "big name" architect and requested that they include it as part of the design, I have no doubt that you would have found some uniquely "Boise" ideas come into play. #3. I personally find the design aesthetically displeasing. It doesnt fit with Boise archictecture. It looks like it would fit in San Jose or Los Angeles, but NOT the City of Trees. You need to send this one back to the drawing board and come up with something better.
#1. This design does not take into consideration the elderly and disabled of our community. With only a few parking spaces on site, it will be difficult to access the library for those who have problems with walking, especially with the ramps, steps, etc in this kind of design. When you add to it that you are planning a multi-story parking garage across the street, with "maybe" an hour of free parking when it already takes the disabled longer to mobilize where they are going is ridiculous. Then, when it is snow and ice season the sidewalks and streets are even harder to maneuver, or when it is hot and smokey out it is downright dangerous for typical people let alone the disabled. This is a poorly thought out and inappropriate plan. #2. The Cabin is historically significant in its current location. It should remain where it is, and had you chosen a local or regional architect instead of some "big name" architect and requested that they include it as part of the design, I have no doubt that you would have found some uniquely "Boise" ideas come into play. #3. I personally find the design aesthetically displeasing. It doesnt fit with Boise archictecture. It looks like it would fit in San Jose or Los Angeles, but NOT the City of Trees. You need to send this one back to the drawing board and come up with something better.
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Tammy Bixby
It is completely out of line of what Boise is. Why are you so determined to destroy what Boise is a great historic town yes I know I said town. It is an ostentatious representation of what we are not. It is ridiculous to think that in this time of digital media and that includes books, that this is a necessity to be built it is not it is not necessary. I love the warehouse it is inviting it is quite lovely and it fits in with what we have if you were to incorporate the warehouse into your elaborate Crazy Design Define perhaps. Too much to be done away with too much debris too much construction it's just too much. Why not trying to fix the things that we already have went up jump some money and do Julia Davis Park and give us back our open space how about that. Why don't you just take out that Art Museum and give us that open space back in exchange for the space you're going to steal from us over there.
It is completely out of line of what Boise is. Why are you so determined to destroy what Boise is a great historic town yes I know I said town. It is an ostentatious representation of what we are not. It is ridiculous to think that in this time of digital media and that includes books, that this is a necessity to be built it is not it is not necessary. I love the warehouse it is inviting it is quite lovely and it fits in with what we have if you were to incorporate the warehouse into your elaborate Crazy Design Define perhaps. Too much to be done away with too much debris too much construction it's just too much. Why not trying to fix the things that we already have went up jump some money and do Julia Davis Park and give us back our open space how about that. Why don't you just take out that Art Museum and give us that open space back in exchange for the space you're going to steal from us over there.
Supported a comment by Judy Lewis Price on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Judy Lewis Price
The Idaho State Capitol should be the "gateway to Boise" not an overblown, designed library. I am totally against the new library design and I believe spending $85-100 million on a pretentious structure is a waste of donated and/or taxpayer funds. In my opinion, the existing library should be updated both structurally and functionally. If other select satellite libraries were either added or updated and equipped equally, in terms of services offered as the current main library, the need to access the main library would be lessened which would take the existing stress off the main library. The congestion in the downtown core and the lack of parking makes accessing the current library difficult and it certainly won't improve with the current concept. I am also adamantly opposed to moving the Cabin. Leave some things as they are.
The Idaho State Capitol should be the "gateway to Boise" not an overblown, designed library. I am totally against the new library design and I believe spending $85-100 million on a pretentious structure is a waste of donated and/or taxpayer funds. In my opinion, the existing library should be updated both structurally and functionally. If other select satellite libraries were either added or updated and equipped equally, in terms of services offered as the current main library, the need to access the main library would be lessened which would take the existing stress off the main library. The congestion in the downtown core and the lack of parking makes accessing the current library difficult and it certainly won't improve with the current concept. I am also adamantly opposed to moving the Cabin. Leave some things as they are.
Supported a comment by LeeJoe Lay on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
LeeJoe Lay
Doesn't look like anything related to the history of Boise, got anything with a western or Oregon trail or River or city of trees theme to it, the mini Sydney opera house look is kind of gratuitous or grandious, or auspicious for the real spirit of Boise, or there you go even hot air balloon inspired would have been cool. Thanks LeeJoe Lay.
Doesn't look like anything related to the history of Boise, got anything with a western or Oregon trail or River or city of trees theme to it, the mini Sydney opera house look is kind of gratuitous or grandious, or auspicious for the real spirit of Boise, or there you go even hot air balloon inspired would have been cool. Thanks LeeJoe Lay.
Supported a comment by Jessie Roberts on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Jessie Roberts
I find demolition of the Foothills School building to create parking depressing. Many people parking at the library are families and the elderly. Parking in a garage across a busy street will be difficult and inconvenient for a lot of users. This is a poor plan, and it would be much better to save and renovate the sweet old building slated for demolition into cool lofts while maintaining the character and history of the area. The library and neighborhood plan will ruin the charm of that area, an area that currently feels very quintessentially Boise.
I find demolition of the Foothills School building to create parking depressing. Many people parking at the library are families and the elderly. Parking in a garage across a busy street will be difficult and inconvenient for a lot of users. This is a poor plan, and it would be much better to save and renovate the sweet old building slated for demolition into cool lofts while maintaining the character and history of the area. The library and neighborhood plan will ruin the charm of that area, an area that currently feels very quintessentially Boise.
Supported a comment by April LOrange on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
April LOrange
This looks like a very well-intentioned terrible idea. As follows: * Your disability access is inadequate, both in distance and in number of parking spaces. * In addition to the cabin, the current library building contributes to the character of the neighborhood, while the new one would destroy it. * Natural light is great, but it's the enemy of books and periodicals. The glare would also interfere with computer use, the other big resource at the library. * Unless you're going 100% LEED, having this much glass will lead to incredible thermal load--you're looking at a 20-degree difference between the sunny side and the shady side that no amount of air conditioning can fix. * Additionally, that "lens" wall will reflect sunlight at certain times of day, creating blinding glare on the greenbelt. * All that pale cement/stone/facing is going to create a terrible heat island effect in the summer. I know there's some rooftop garden planed, but that won't make crossing that entry plaza any less brutal. * The hardscaping will also create substantial runoff issues. * Folks tell me this looks like the Sake Lake City library. Can't we have a library that still looks like Boise? Expand the old building if you can. If not, at least use red brick. * Despite the dimensionality in the architecture, the plan for this building makes the same "urban renewal" mistakes most major cities made in the 80s. Let's learn from them instead. I don't want my kids' taxes paying to clean up this mess in 20 years.
This looks like a very well-intentioned terrible idea. As follows: * Your disability access is inadequate, both in distance and in number of parking spaces. * In addition to the cabin, the current library building contributes to the character of the neighborhood, while the new one would destroy it. * Natural light is great, but it's the enemy of books and periodicals. The glare would also interfere with computer use, the other big resource at the library. * Unless you're going 100% LEED, having this much glass will lead to incredible thermal load--you're looking at a 20-degree difference between the sunny side and the shady side that no amount of air conditioning can fix. * Additionally, that "lens" wall will reflect sunlight at certain times of day, creating blinding glare on the greenbelt. * All that pale cement/stone/facing is going to create a terrible heat island effect in the summer. I know there's some rooftop garden planed, but that won't make crossing that entry plaza any less brutal. * The hardscaping will also create substantial runoff issues. * Folks tell me this looks like the Sake Lake City library. Can't we have a library that still looks like Boise? Expand the old building if you can. If not, at least use red brick. * Despite the dimensionality in the architecture, the plan for this building makes the same "urban renewal" mistakes most major cities made in the 80s. Let's learn from them instead. I don't want my kids' taxes paying to clean up this mess in 20 years.
Supported a comment by Colby Spath on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Colby Spath
I'm concerned about the design incorporating the Greenbelt. 8th St is a vital access point and transit corridor for cyclists and pedestrians going from the North End to Downtown then accessing either the Greenbelt or crossing the Boise River to go to Lusk/BSU/Bench. The current design seems to obscure this connection rather than enhance it. Certain aspects even seem to make it seem like there's a dangerous blind corner being built right there. I'm also concerned about access to the Greenbelt and train bridge during construction. Local recent history has shown us that detours for pedestrians and cyclists is often a poor afterthought during Downtown or Greenbelt construction. I hope these concerns are contemplated and addressed. Thanks!
I'm concerned about the design incorporating the Greenbelt. 8th St is a vital access point and transit corridor for cyclists and pedestrians going from the North End to Downtown then accessing either the Greenbelt or crossing the Boise River to go to Lusk/BSU/Bench. The current design seems to obscure this connection rather than enhance it. Certain aspects even seem to make it seem like there's a dangerous blind corner being built right there. I'm also concerned about access to the Greenbelt and train bridge during construction. Local recent history has shown us that detours for pedestrians and cyclists is often a poor afterthought during Downtown or Greenbelt construction. I hope these concerns are contemplated and addressed. Thanks!
Supported a comment by Helen Dean on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Helen Dean
Too many reflective windows. Need bird proofing. City of Trees is home to incredible birds and we need ti protect them while providing books! please
Too many reflective windows. Need bird proofing. City of Trees is home to incredible birds and we need ti protect them while providing books! please
Supported a comment by Heidi Ware Carlisle on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Heidi Ware Carlisle
I would like to see the city work with the Idaho Bird Conservation Partnership to create a bird safe design. Some kind of art feature or installation on windows that would create a bird-safe glass (mural, fritting, other texture added). I'd like designers to ensure there are no fruiting trees or shrubs (that will attract birds) located next to dangerous glass surfaces. Unless this building has bird-safe glass and other bird-safe designs incorporated, it will be a major danger to birds (as we have seen and documented with the University Plaza building--glass next to the river=hundreds of dead birds annually). Along with bird-safe glass (or other changes in design to eliminate glass risk), I'd like to see a design that reduces reflections of vegetation on windows (deadly to birds), and a design that eliminates "through way" views (areas where flying birds can see through one layer of glass into sky or open space on the other side). Also, birds will be attracted to any vegetation incorporated into the design. For any rooftop green spaces, I would want to make sure they were designed in a way that did not have dangerous glass elements, or overhangs or corners where birds could become trapped after being attracted to the trees and vegetation. The current library building with its relatively small windows already has a problem with birds hitting the glass. Adding more glass will only make this more dangerous for birds if plans are not put in place to stop it.
I would like to see the city work with the Idaho Bird Conservation Partnership to create a bird safe design. Some kind of art feature or installation on windows that would create a bird-safe glass (mural, fritting, other texture added). I'd like designers to ensure there are no fruiting trees or shrubs (that will attract birds) located next to dangerous glass surfaces. Unless this building has bird-safe glass and other bird-safe designs incorporated, it will be a major danger to birds (as we have seen and documented with the University Plaza building--glass next to the river=hundreds of dead birds annually). Along with bird-safe glass (or other changes in design to eliminate glass risk), I'd like to see a design that reduces reflections of vegetation on windows (deadly to birds), and a design that eliminates "through way" views (areas where flying birds can see through one layer of glass into sky or open space on the other side). Also, birds will be attracted to any vegetation incorporated into the design. For any rooftop green spaces, I would want to make sure they were designed in a way that did not have dangerous glass elements, or overhangs or corners where birds could become trapped after being attracted to the trees and vegetation. The current library building with its relatively small windows already has a problem with birds hitting the glass. Adding more glass will only make this more dangerous for birds if plans are not put in place to stop it.
Supported a comment by Sue McMillan on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Sue McMillan
There seems to be a lot of form/design over substance in this project. The public spaces are duplicative of what is available elsewhere in the city and not a sensible use of tax payer funds. In addition, I'm surprised there was apparently no thought given to The Cabin -- whether in asking that it be incorporated in the plans or in effective messaging to the community as to why it wasn't incorporated in the plans.
There seems to be a lot of form/design over substance in this project. The public spaces are duplicative of what is available elsewhere in the city and not a sensible use of tax payer funds. In addition, I'm surprised there was apparently no thought given to The Cabin -- whether in asking that it be incorporated in the plans or in effective messaging to the community as to why it wasn't incorporated in the plans.
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Diane Plastino Graves
I would like to know who made the decision that Mr. Safdie should be the architect and that his design would be approved? There are so many other types of buildings that would reflect the geography and culture of Boise, instead of another glass/steel/concrete building that could be seen in any city in the World. Have you seen the beautiful mass-timbered buildings of late? Spectacular. And how right for the City of Trees--at least we once were that.
I would like to know who made the decision that Mr. Safdie should be the architect and that his design would be approved? There are so many other types of buildings that would reflect the geography and culture of Boise, instead of another glass/steel/concrete building that could be seen in any city in the World. Have you seen the beautiful mass-timbered buildings of late? Spectacular. And how right for the City of Trees--at least we once were that.
Supported a comment by Diane Ronayne on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Diane Ronayne
You obviously have built many buildings on bare land. Have you ever built a building that incorporates and honors another building that was already standing on that land? Is there a way the spirit of the Boise library--historical archive, performance center and materials repository--that you and City Council envision can include the living history of the Log Cabin, too?
You obviously have built many buildings on bare land. Have you ever built a building that incorporates and honors another building that was already standing on that land? Is there a way the spirit of the Boise library--historical archive, performance center and materials repository--that you and City Council envision can include the living history of the Log Cabin, too?
Supported a comment by Paula Benson on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Paula Benson
I was quite surprised to hear Mr. Safdie refer to those in Boise who are concerned about the fate of the cabin as being unnecessarily "excited" about it. He states that he thought we should, or would, be more concerned about the money. He says that "as an outsider" he has determined that we should not care about the cabin because no one will remember where it was in a year. Is it appropriate to dictate what we should think and what we should care about as a city? I appreciate his expertise in architecture but I am dismayed at his tone-deaf approach to legitimate concerns voiced about the moving of a historic building. He may not have meant to but his remarks, as can be seen on video, seem dismissive and patronizing. Respectfully, his vision should be our vision not the other way around.
I was quite surprised to hear Mr. Safdie refer to those in Boise who are concerned about the fate of the cabin as being unnecessarily "excited" about it. He states that he thought we should, or would, be more concerned about the money. He says that "as an outsider" he has determined that we should not care about the cabin because no one will remember where it was in a year. Is it appropriate to dictate what we should think and what we should care about as a city? I appreciate his expertise in architecture but I am dismayed at his tone-deaf approach to legitimate concerns voiced about the moving of a historic building. He may not have meant to but his remarks, as can be seen on video, seem dismissive and patronizing. Respectfully, his vision should be our vision not the other way around.
Supported a comment by Joy Salas on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Joy Salas
Programs to help the valley homeless find work, housing, and other needed resources to help get them off of the street !!
Programs to help the valley homeless find work, housing, and other needed resources to help get them off of the street !!
Supported a comment by Shannon Peterson on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Shannon Peterson
why does he have to give boise a copy of his SLC library instead of looking at the needs for the community?
why does he have to give boise a copy of his SLC library instead of looking at the needs for the community?
Supported a comment by Ted Jewell on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Ted Jewell
The new library should be more than a monument to the architect. It should respect the city's history and modify the design to include the Cabin in its original location. The test of the project's success will be the long-time usage and acceptance of the overall site and the library.
The new library should be more than a monument to the architect. It should respect the city's history and modify the design to include the Cabin in its original location. The test of the project's success will be the long-time usage and acceptance of the overall site and the library.
Supported a comment by Pamela B. on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Pamela B.
Book club. Sharing of music. More on Boise and Treasure Valley history such as The Cabin. More language classes, the city is diversifying and it is important to be able to communicate with your neighbors. Children's programs.
Book club. Sharing of music. More on Boise and Treasure Valley history such as The Cabin. More language classes, the city is diversifying and it is important to be able to communicate with your neighbors. Children's programs.
Supported a comment by Pamela B. on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Pamela B.
I know I am in the minority because I do visit other towns' libraries but I love visiting museums. To me it would make sense for the library to focus on our local history and the needs of the local population.
I know I am in the minority because I do visit other towns' libraries but I love visiting museums. To me it would make sense for the library to focus on our local history and the needs of the local population.
Supported a comment by April LOrange on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
April LOrange
Dear City of Boise: Your beautiful is getting in the way of the functional aspects. Glass and cement is a mistake we all made in the 80s. It's hot, blinding, impermeable to runoff, and ages badly (both functionally and aesthetically).
Dear City of Boise: Your beautiful is getting in the way of the functional aspects. Glass and cement is a mistake we all made in the 80s. It's hot, blinding, impermeable to runoff, and ages badly (both functionally and aesthetically).
Supported a comment by Brooke O. on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Brooke O.
more shade, more trees, less windows/reflection and a more thoughtful timeless design
more shade, more trees, less windows/reflection and a more thoughtful timeless design
Supported a comment by Christine King on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Christine King
When you write you are in favor of moving The Cabin, you mention students would maintain access, but I have not read any commitment from the city the intention to relocate the cabin as The Cabin, that will be very expensive. The official comment here is quite vague.
When you write you are in favor of moving The Cabin, you mention students would maintain access, but I have not read any commitment from the city the intention to relocate the cabin as The Cabin, that will be very expensive. The official comment here is quite vague.
Supported a comment by Pamela B. on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Pamela B.
While moving The Cabin would be better than not saving it at all by moving to a new site it may lose some of it's historical value. Plus, this can jeopardize the building’s placement on the National Historic Register. Since the only thing going into that space is a plaza I don't understand why The Cabin can't just stay in it's original historical location.
While moving The Cabin would be better than not saving it at all by moving to a new site it may lose some of it's historical value. Plus, this can jeopardize the building’s placement on the National Historic Register. Since the only thing going into that space is a plaza I don't understand why The Cabin can't just stay in it's original historical location.
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Tammy Bixby
Local is what is we are..this is a invasion of the concept "local"
Local is what is we are..this is a invasion of the concept "local"
Supported a comment by Thomas J Beatty on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Thomas J Beatty
I think an on-site parking option was prematurely dismissed, and would strongly suggest that the City go back to the designer with this requirement. You might also want to suggest that the re-done design be more in keeping with the surrounding buildings and museums. While the current proposal is nice to look at, that feeling will wear off fast. Surely building onto the current structure would be more practical - and even less costly.
I think an on-site parking option was prematurely dismissed, and would strongly suggest that the City go back to the designer with this requirement. You might also want to suggest that the re-done design be more in keeping with the surrounding buildings and museums. While the current proposal is nice to look at, that feeling will wear off fast. Surely building onto the current structure would be more practical - and even less costly.
Supported a comment by Gwynne McElhinney on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Gwynne McElhinney
I agree with the other comments re: access & safety that have been made. Even with an elevated walkway, I'm concerned that a parking garage across River Street will create gridlock between Capitol Blvd. & 9th Street. You'll have to put in a traffic light on 8th which will mean very few cars can turn west on River in any one cycle without backing up traffic on Capitol. This will be especially true when special events are held at BSU (concerts/games) or in Julia Davis Park (e.g., Art in the Park). Cars entering & exiting the garage (whether on 8th or River) will further congest an already busy intersection. The new library, as proposed, creates so many challenges to our community. I hope it's not too late to re-evaluate what the architect has offered. Can't we go back to the drawing board and design a building that better meets the need of Boiseans now and in the future?
I agree with the other comments re: access & safety that have been made. Even with an elevated walkway, I'm concerned that a parking garage across River Street will create gridlock between Capitol Blvd. & 9th Street. You'll have to put in a traffic light on 8th which will mean very few cars can turn west on River in any one cycle without backing up traffic on Capitol. This will be especially true when special events are held at BSU (concerts/games) or in Julia Davis Park (e.g., Art in the Park). Cars entering & exiting the garage (whether on 8th or River) will further congest an already busy intersection. The new library, as proposed, creates so many challenges to our community. I hope it's not too late to re-evaluate what the architect has offered. Can't we go back to the drawing board and design a building that better meets the need of Boiseans now and in the future?
Supported a comment by Mary Wallace Dragone on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Mary Wallace Dragone
Another cost issue is that the cabin was just brought up to ADA standards to the tune of many thousands of tax dollars.....why destroy or move it? I am for historic preservation....I can't believe we are not just updating or adding on to the current library.....
Another cost issue is that the cabin was just brought up to ADA standards to the tune of many thousands of tax dollars.....why destroy or move it? I am for historic preservation....I can't believe we are not just updating or adding on to the current library.....
Supported a comment by Jerry Brady on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Jerry Brady
Go Kathy and Diane Plastino Graves, above! The problem here is The Cabin is plain and unassuming while the great architect's library is expected to be not just a place for readers and learners but a shining icon of a growing city. I've not seen the library's design, although I'm excited about what's ahead. But preserving The Cabin in it's place, unpretentious and ordinary as it is, would be precisely the point: we haven't outgrown ourselves and gotten too big for our heritage.
Go Kathy and Diane Plastino Graves, above! The problem here is The Cabin is plain and unassuming while the great architect's library is expected to be not just a place for readers and learners but a shining icon of a growing city. I've not seen the library's design, although I'm excited about what's ahead. But preserving The Cabin in it's place, unpretentious and ordinary as it is, would be precisely the point: we haven't outgrown ourselves and gotten too big for our heritage.
Supported a comment by Maria Eschen on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Maria Eschen
Agree! K. Kustra is correct! The Cabin needs to be incorporated, not moved. Simple reason for me: I served on the board soon after the millennium and worked to raise funding (quilt sales, etc.) for remodeling and expanding the historic building for ADA compliance. This included adding a 3-level elevator (about $80.000) so folks like my younger sister and Marilyn Shuler and many others could enjoy this remarkable public building so close to the Library.
Thanks for listening,
Maria Eschen
Agree! K. Kustra is correct! The Cabin needs to be incorporated, not moved. Simple reason for me: I served on the board soon after the millennium and worked to raise funding (quilt sales, etc.) for remodeling and expanding the historic building for ADA compliance. This included adding a 3-level elevator (about $80.000) so folks like my younger sister and Marilyn Shuler and many others could enjoy this remarkable public building so close to the Library.
Thanks for listening,
Maria Eschen
Supported a comment by Mary Wallace Dragone on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 8 months ago
Mary Wallace Dragone
It is just too big....it seems cost prohibitive to maintain....how much will maintenance cost on a building that size? I read the original study from 2014 and the original cost was 45 million....now it is 85mil....how high will it go? We have performance space in Boise ...there are already public meeting rooms in the library and I am probably not going to be thrilled to use the automated retrieval system, aesthetically unpleasing to me, but I am a book person.....
It is just too big....it seems cost prohibitive to maintain....how much will maintenance cost on a building that size? I read the original study from 2014 and the original cost was 45 million....now it is 85mil....how high will it go? We have performance space in Boise ...there are already public meeting rooms in the library and I am probably not going to be thrilled to use the automated retrieval system, aesthetically unpleasing to me, but I am a book person.....
Supported a comment by Pam Brewer on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 10 months ago
Pam Brewer
How will people cross River Street? It is already a very busy street. I would propose an elevate walkway to get to library.
How will people cross River Street? It is already a very busy street. I would propose an elevate walkway to get to library.
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 10 months ago
Diane Plastino Graves
What the cabin is and where it is is the same thing. It is not an issue of moving the nonprofit The Cabin. But moving the cabin building itself, which was built by the CCC on that spot in 1939., would be a tragedy. It would be like moving the Boise Depot to west Boise, or the Statue of Liberty to New Jersey. It is at home in that spot, and has been for 7 decades. We need these special places to remain untouched, so that Boise has representations of all its history, intact. https://www.idahostatesman.com/opinion/readers-opinion/article214439969.html
What the cabin is and where it is is the same thing. It is not an issue of moving the nonprofit The Cabin. But moving the cabin building itself, which was built by the CCC on that spot in 1939., would be a tragedy. It would be like moving the Boise Depot to west Boise, or the Statue of Liberty to New Jersey. It is at home in that spot, and has been for 7 decades. We need these special places to remain untouched, so that Boise has representations of all its history, intact. https://www.idahostatesman.com/opinion/readers-opinion/article214439969.html
Supported a comment by Nicole Patterson on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 10 months ago
Nicole Patterson
As a historic landmark, the Cabin needs to be near the heart of historic Boise. It doesn't work in a new development. Even the big, old trees surrounding the Cabin pay tribute to Boise's past. And what could be better than the mile between the train depot and the Capitol?
The Cabin also needs to be near Boise's cultural landmarks--BAM, the Anne Frank Memorial, Ann Morrison Park, the river and more. Have you ever attended a Cabin program? The kids write in the Cabin but also venture out into nearby blocks for inspiration; they visit JUMP, BAM, the park, the Library! and more. They leverage the close proximity to the diversity of spaces for learning and inspiration. And it's neat to see kids WALKING around and exploring Boise. It wouldn't be right (write?) to board a bus at Cabin camp to visit downtown (and it would increase costs).
Finally, there is something appropriate about the Cabin being on the same site as the library. Cabin writers see the library when they visit (maybe even get trapped in the overcrowded parking lot!). The Library could be the future home for their creations, a place where written words are free and accessible to everyone. Library patrons also see the Cabin--a place where all are welcome to write, to share their stories. The Library! and the Cabin have complementary visions and purposes, and each is better in close proximity to the other.
Do any other Cabin sites meet these criteria?
As a historic landmark, the Cabin needs to be near the heart of historic Boise. It doesn't work in a new development. Even the big, old trees surrounding the Cabin pay tribute to Boise's past. And what could be better than the mile between the train depot and the Capitol?
The Cabin also needs to be near Boise's cultural landmarks--BAM, the Anne Frank Memorial, Ann Morrison Park, the river and more. Have you ever attended a Cabin program? The kids write in the Cabin but also venture out into nearby blocks for inspiration; they visit JUMP, BAM, the park, the Library! and more. They leverage the close proximity to the diversity of spaces for learning and inspiration. And it's neat to see kids WALKING around and exploring Boise. It wouldn't be right (write?) to board a bus at Cabin camp to visit downtown (and it would increase costs).
Finally, there is something appropriate about the Cabin being on the same site as the library. Cabin writers see the library when they visit (maybe even get trapped in the overcrowded parking lot!). The Library could be the future home for their creations, a place where written words are free and accessible to everyone. Library patrons also see the Cabin--a place where all are welcome to write, to share their stories. The Library! and the Cabin have complementary visions and purposes, and each is better in close proximity to the other.
Do any other Cabin sites meet these criteria?
Supported a comment by Paula Benson on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 10 months ago
Paula Benson
The cabin was built as the Forester's Office and its site was specifically chosen because proximity to the river and the trees both reflect the timber history of the State of Idaho. Its location is germane to its original purpose and to its history. The Cabin Writer's Center has programs all over the city and could use another building if it needed to but the the cabin itself would be forever changed if it was moved to another site.
The cabin was built as the Forester's Office and its site was specifically chosen because proximity to the river and the trees both reflect the timber history of the State of Idaho. Its location is germane to its original purpose and to its history. The Cabin Writer's Center has programs all over the city and could use another building if it needed to but the the cabin itself would be forever changed if it was moved to another site.
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 11 months ago
Diane Plastino Graves
Have permanent parking next to our beautiful Anne Frank Memorial does not sound like an aesthetically appropriate location. And what about this Biomark Building. Isn't that on City property? Why was it leased long term when the library scheme has been in the works for so long?
Have permanent parking next to our beautiful Anne Frank Memorial does not sound like an aesthetically appropriate location. And what about this Biomark Building. Isn't that on City property? Why was it leased long term when the library scheme has been in the works for so long?
Supported a comment by Mary Wallace Dragone on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 11 months ago
Mary Wallace Dragone
The entire thing is cost prohibitive.
The entire thing is cost prohibitive.
Supported a comment by Sharon Tabor on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 11 months ago
Sharon Tabor
What will the parking cost? $7 /hr like downtown garage now charge?
What will the parking cost? $7 /hr like downtown garage now charge?
Supported a comment by April LOrange on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 11 months ago
April LOrange
Please don't forget that a lot of onsite parking needs to be disabled-accessible. As a disabled person who can't use a wheelchair, no number of ramps fixes being too far away or running out of disabled-placard spaces.
Please don't forget that a lot of onsite parking needs to be disabled-accessible. As a disabled person who can't use a wheelchair, no number of ramps fixes being too far away or running out of disabled-placard spaces.
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Diane Plastino Graves
A mass-timbered building that represents the timber-based history of Idaho, and is more organic looking, in honor of its setting along the river. Washington DC is building one now for its public library. DC ...and not Idaho?
A mass-timbered building that represents the timber-based history of Idaho, and is more organic looking, in honor of its setting along the river. Washington DC is building one now for its public library. DC ...and not Idaho?
Supported a comment by Neil Luther on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Neil Luther
My main priority would be to ensure The Cabin is not moved from its original spot. The fact the City has not even proposed a design that keeps The Cabin in place shows me that any preservationist on staff with the City planning department is not doing their job. Another top priority for the city should be ensuring that the event space is guaranteed to be funded. Any aspect that provides utility should have funding priority over expensive aesthetic design options. I also have concerns with the Urban Room. The fact that it is all glass can cause problems with not only heating and cooling thus raising the energy cost of the building.
My main priority would be to ensure The Cabin is not moved from its original spot. The fact the City has not even proposed a design that keeps The Cabin in place shows me that any preservationist on staff with the City planning department is not doing their job. Another top priority for the city should be ensuring that the event space is guaranteed to be funded. Any aspect that provides utility should have funding priority over expensive aesthetic design options. I also have concerns with the Urban Room. The fact that it is all glass can cause problems with not only heating and cooling thus raising the energy cost of the building.
Supported a comment by Jill Jasper on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Jill Jasper
It won’t good enough until some way is found for people to easily get there. Maybe parking for more, or a better public transportation, or something.
It won’t good enough until some way is found for people to easily get there. Maybe parking for more, or a better public transportation, or something.
Supported a comment by Margaret Marti on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Margaret Marti
I think that the excellent minds who have conceived this design can also include leaving The Cabin where it is now.It's mission ties so closely with the new library and its history is right beside the Boise River.
I think that the excellent minds who have conceived this design can also include leaving The Cabin where it is now.It's mission ties so closely with the new library and its history is right beside the Boise River.
Supported a comment by Scott K. on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Scott K.
Given, I do not visit the library very often, I'm not sure how frequently I would visit once changes are made.
Given, I do not visit the library very often, I'm not sure how frequently I would visit once changes are made.
Supported a comment by Scott K. on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Scott K.
I'm sorry is this supposed to be JUMP? At this point, I don't believe JUMP has reached it's full potential so I'm not sure we need to emulate that closer to the river.
I'm sorry is this supposed to be JUMP? At this point, I don't believe JUMP has reached it's full potential so I'm not sure we need to emulate that closer to the river.
Supported a comment by Susie Vader on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Susie Vader
I would like to see close and accessible parking. People often carry huge loads of books to and from the library. we need close, accessible, and affordable parking. Second, I would like to preserve the Cabin in its historic location. We cannot lose this gem.
I would like to see close and accessible parking. People often carry huge loads of books to and from the library. we need close, accessible, and affordable parking. Second, I would like to preserve the Cabin in its historic location. We cannot lose this gem.
Supported a comment by Susie Vader on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Susie Vader
I think community gathering spaces are good, but we forget the original mission of providing books to the community.
I think community gathering spaces are good, but we forget the original mission of providing books to the community.
Supported a comment by Susie Vader on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Susie Vader
Preservation of the Cabin and parking.
Preservation of the Cabin and parking.
Supported a comment by Jay Carlisle on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Jay Carlisle
Yes but, as stated in question 3, I think the building could/should remain a bit further back from the river to have more of a buffer between the many large windows and the important riparian habitat. This would limit risk of bird/window strikes and also allow for some open space on the river side of the library.
Yes but, as stated in question 3, I think the building could/should remain a bit further back from the river to have more of a buffer between the many large windows and the important riparian habitat. This would limit risk of bird/window strikes and also allow for some open space on the river side of the library.
Supported a comment by Joy Salas on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Joy Salas
I dont like it at all!! None of it!! How about, instead of building another library we use that money to build something to help house our homeless population in the treasure valley!!
I dont like it at all!! None of it!! How about, instead of building another library we use that money to build something to help house our homeless population in the treasure valley!!
Supported a comment by Joy Salas on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Joy Salas
I dont like any of it!! If the city or county has that much money to blow...then how about putting it to better use and make some housing and programs to help the treasure valleys homeless population!!
I dont like any of it!! If the city or county has that much money to blow...then how about putting it to better use and make some housing and programs to help the treasure valleys homeless population!!
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
M. Thomas
Inclusion of the Arts & History Department. That said, I am opposed to this proposed plan – it is at too high a cost, out of character for the area, and needlessy sacrifices local history and a functioning and useable public building. The perceived need for event space has been fulfilled with the opening of JUMP, completion of the Boise Centre and State History Museum expansions, and new downtown hotel event spaces. It is poor timing to present this project and budget in the midst of unprecedented growth and the serious immediate needs for housing and transit. The State History Museum project is a great example of what could be done on the library campus – a modest $17 million budget raised over a period of years, incorporating the original structure, and utilizing local materials.
Inclusion of the Arts & History Department. That said, I am opposed to this proposed plan – it is at too high a cost, out of character for the area, and needlessy sacrifices local history and a functioning and useable public building. The perceived need for event space has been fulfilled with the opening of JUMP, completion of the Boise Centre and State History Museum expansions, and new downtown hotel event spaces. It is poor timing to present this project and budget in the midst of unprecedented growth and the serious immediate needs for housing and transit. The State History Museum project is a great example of what could be done on the library campus – a modest $17 million budget raised over a period of years, incorporating the original structure, and utilizing local materials.
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
M. Thomas
Inclusion of the Arts & History Department. That said, I am opposed to this proposed plan – it is at too high a cost, out of character for the area, and needlessy sacrifices local history and a functioning and useable public building. The perceived need for event space has been fulfilled with the opening of JUMP, completion of the Boise Centre and State History Museum expansions, and new downtown hotels. This project and budget are poor timing in the midst of serious immediate needs for housing and transit. The State History Museum project is a great example of what could be done on the library campus – a modest $17 million budget raised over a period of years, incorporating the original structure, and utilizing local materials. It is not characteristic of Boise, and is out of scale for the lot and area. A modern and innovative design would find a way to mesh the history of Boise, our warehouse district, and 45 years of library history by including The Cabin and the Salt Lake Hardware Company building. The current library represents what is possible through adaptive reuse; demolishing a functional public building is not green or sustainable. Preservation of local history and culture should be paramount to inclusion of the Arts & History department in the campus. We have iconic gateways in the Boise Depot and State Capitol buildings, and the current library is iconic and well-known for it’s “!” – the type of little touch that makes Boise unique.
Inclusion of the Arts & History Department. That said, I am opposed to this proposed plan – it is at too high a cost, out of character for the area, and needlessy sacrifices local history and a functioning and useable public building. The perceived need for event space has been fulfilled with the opening of JUMP, completion of the Boise Centre and State History Museum expansions, and new downtown hotels. This project and budget are poor timing in the midst of serious immediate needs for housing and transit. The State History Museum project is a great example of what could be done on the library campus – a modest $17 million budget raised over a period of years, incorporating the original structure, and utilizing local materials. It is not characteristic of Boise, and is out of scale for the lot and area. A modern and innovative design would find a way to mesh the history of Boise, our warehouse district, and 45 years of library history by including The Cabin and the Salt Lake Hardware Company building. The current library represents what is possible through adaptive reuse; demolishing a functional public building is not green or sustainable. Preservation of local history and culture should be paramount to inclusion of the Arts & History department in the campus. We have iconic gateways in the Boise Depot and State Capitol buildings, and the current library is iconic and well-known for it’s “!” – the type of little touch that makes Boise unique.
Supported a comment by Kristin Jones on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Kristin Jones
A slide, like the one at JUMP, but it should be open for more than two hours a week. That's a very selfish and personal wish, but I'm thinking big picture here people! If you want it to be a gateway to Boise, add a slide! :)
A slide, like the one at JUMP, but it should be open for more than two hours a week. That's a very selfish and personal wish, but I'm thinking big picture here people! If you want it to be a gateway to Boise, add a slide! :)
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
M. Thomas
The Cabin remain in its place, and the Salt Lake Hardware Company Warehouse renovated. Expand the Historic Warehouse / South 8th Street District all the way to the River. Invest in Boise’s neighborhoods by creating permanent structures for branch libraries, and increase the size of the library’s collection by establishing more branch libraries – spreading resources and access across the city rather than in one central location. If Arts & History is in need of a retail storefront, enter into a long-term lease agreement with a vacant storefront downtown that can be self-supported through sales. I would like to see multiple site plans, including designs from local architects; and the fast-paced, strict timeline slowed down to allow for substantial public input. The allocation of tax-supported funding, which comprises 80% of the budget, should be presented to the public to vote on in the form of a ballot initiative. Additionally, I would like to see a detailed breakdown of the $80-85 million proposed budget including how much has already been spent; costs of renovation versus demolition; full disclosure of the architectural services selection process including financials; and transparent and complete breakdown of funding (including clarification of the $46.8 million from Tax Support and $22.2 million from Partnerships/Donations listed on p. 187 of the FY2019 City Budget). In the concept presentation to City Council in December 2017, a line item of $4.1 million for renovation of the existing warehouse was included as part of an overall proposed budget of $63.7 million.
The Cabin remain in its place, and the Salt Lake Hardware Company Warehouse renovated. Expand the Historic Warehouse / South 8th Street District all the way to the River. Invest in Boise’s neighborhoods by creating permanent structures for branch libraries, and increase the size of the library’s collection by establishing more branch libraries – spreading resources and access across the city rather than in one central location. If Arts & History is in need of a retail storefront, enter into a long-term lease agreement with a vacant storefront downtown that can be self-supported through sales. I would like to see multiple site plans, including designs from local architects; and the fast-paced, strict timeline slowed down to allow for substantial public input. The allocation of tax-supported funding, which comprises 80% of the budget, should be presented to the public to vote on in the form of a ballot initiative. Additionally, I would like to see a detailed breakdown of the $80-85 million proposed budget including how much has already been spent; costs of renovation versus demolition; full disclosure of the architectural services selection process including financials; and transparent and complete breakdown of funding (including clarification of the $46.8 million from Tax Support and $22.2 million from Partnerships/Donations listed on p. 187 of the FY2019 City Budget). In the concept presentation to City Council in December 2017, a line item of $4.1 million for renovation of the existing warehouse was included as part of an overall proposed budget of $63.7 million.
Supported a comment by Nancy Budge on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Nancy Budge
I am excited about revitalizing the downtown Boise Main Library. I have utilized resources and attended meetings and lectures at this library. When I sit down and think about it however, over the last 20 years, I have actually spent more time attending meetings and events at the Cabin. For example our book club met at the Cabin for many years. I think the site planning process should include another look at incorporating the Cabin, where it sits, into the design. It is an important part of Idaho history in the fact that it was originally the office of the State Forester and built of donated boards from many of the original Idaho forest products companies. I was involved with helping raise money for the Cabin to update the building and install a basement meeting room and elevator. The Cabin has a lot going on for both kids and adults. It can potentially provide the new Library Campus Project with an important connection to the legacy of the site. The Cabin is an important part of the story.
I am excited about revitalizing the downtown Boise Main Library. I have utilized resources and attended meetings and lectures at this library. When I sit down and think about it however, over the last 20 years, I have actually spent more time attending meetings and events at the Cabin. For example our book club met at the Cabin for many years. I think the site planning process should include another look at incorporating the Cabin, where it sits, into the design. It is an important part of Idaho history in the fact that it was originally the office of the State Forester and built of donated boards from many of the original Idaho forest products companies. I was involved with helping raise money for the Cabin to update the building and install a basement meeting room and elevator. The Cabin has a lot going on for both kids and adults. It can potentially provide the new Library Campus Project with an important connection to the legacy of the site. The Cabin is an important part of the story.
Supported a comment by Gary Zimmerman on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Gary Zimmerman
Greater space for library book stacks and automated retrieval system
Greater space for library book stacks and automated retrieval system
Supported a comment by Gary Zimmerman on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Gary Zimmerman
I would like to see a more modular design and consturction approach that allows build out over a longer period of time, and one that focuses on the core of what a library provides (books, periodicals, etc). I don't believe a center for arts and history is a part of a library and should not be burdened on the library. Planners should make sure that existing spaces such as History Museum, JUMP and BSU are utilized appropriately before building additional functionality into a new Library. I would also like to see a bit greater separation between the redesigned Anne Frank memorial and the new library. Parking is also an issue. It was odd that the representatives of this project would not share at the Friday open house where the parking is being considered. I think having to cross roads is not a good design.
I would like to see a more modular design and consturction approach that allows build out over a longer period of time, and one that focuses on the core of what a library provides (books, periodicals, etc). I don't believe a center for arts and history is a part of a library and should not be burdened on the library. Planners should make sure that existing spaces such as History Museum, JUMP and BSU are utilized appropriately before building additional functionality into a new Library. I would also like to see a bit greater separation between the redesigned Anne Frank memorial and the new library. Parking is also an issue. It was odd that the representatives of this project would not share at the Friday open house where the parking is being considered. I think having to cross roads is not a good design.
Supported a comment by Kay Lynn Brown on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Kay Lynn Brown
More comfy areas for children to read, periodicals more accessible (not on the third floor).
More comfy areas for children to read, periodicals more accessible (not on the third floor).
Supported a comment by Janell Rothe on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Janell Rothe
Please request a re-design of the library plans to include the Cabin. The historical significance of the building, along with its reading and writing programs are invaluable to our city. Moving the Cabin to an off-site location instead of incorporating it into the new plan is simply poor planning and wasteful. While I support the idea of a new main library, I’d like to see a smaller footprint, less concrete, and more greenspace to better incorporate its Boise River location. Adding event space, a café and a gift shop is unnecessary.
Please request a re-design of the library plans to include the Cabin. The historical significance of the building, along with its reading and writing programs are invaluable to our city. Moving the Cabin to an off-site location instead of incorporating it into the new plan is simply poor planning and wasteful. While I support the idea of a new main library, I’d like to see a smaller footprint, less concrete, and more greenspace to better incorporate its Boise River location. Adding event space, a café and a gift shop is unnecessary.
Supported a comment by Janell Rothe on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Janell Rothe
A real plan for parking which, in the current plan, is woefully inadequate.
A real plan for parking which, in the current plan, is woefully inadequate.
Supported a comment by Janell Rothe on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Janell Rothe
I believe that much more can be done to incorporate the Cabin and the riparian habitat of the Boise River.
I believe that much more can be done to incorporate the Cabin and the riparian habitat of the Boise River.
Supported a comment by Erin Murray on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Erin Murray
8th street is an important thoroughfare for cyclists travelling from downtown to the Greenbelt. I'm concerned that with the current design it's going to be difficult to navigate 8th adjacent to the building. What infrastructure will be put in place to maintain cyclist accessibility and safety?
8th street is an important thoroughfare for cyclists travelling from downtown to the Greenbelt. I'm concerned that with the current design it's going to be difficult to navigate 8th adjacent to the building. What infrastructure will be put in place to maintain cyclist accessibility and safety?
Supported a comment by Liz Urban on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Liz Urban
I really hope that this building uses bird-friendly design and glass. The Boise River is a designated important bird area with more than 120 protected species utilizing this riparian corridor. I would also like to see the Cabin stay in it's current location.
I really hope that this building uses bird-friendly design and glass. The Boise River is a designated important bird area with more than 120 protected species utilizing this riparian corridor. I would also like to see the Cabin stay in it's current location.
Supported a comment by Dave T. on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Dave T.
This survey is so poorly implemented and does not match the one on the Main Library site. I had prepared comments for the "Other Comments" section and then get here to find there is not place to leave other comments. I would have used the one on the main library site but that one has been giving a "500: Internal Server Error" all weekend and into today, the last day of the survey. So where do I give my actual feedback????
This survey is so poorly implemented and does not match the one on the Main Library site. I had prepared comments for the "Other Comments" section and then get here to find there is not place to leave other comments. I would have used the one on the main library site but that one has been giving a "500: Internal Server Error" all weekend and into today, the last day of the survey. So where do I give my actual feedback????
Supported a comment by Dave T. on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Dave T.
I think the initial visioning workshops where a joke. I read the executive summary and on the first page it even states “project goals and objectives for the project as set by the project steering committee are summarized as follows”. The project goals and objectives were already set before that visioning workshop. A project of this size should be put to a bond/levy vote.
I think the initial visioning workshops where a joke. I read the executive summary and on the first page it even states “project goals and objectives for the project as set by the project steering committee are summarized as follows”. The project goals and objectives were already set before that visioning workshop. A project of this size should be put to a bond/levy vote.
Supported a comment by L Pennisi on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
L Pennisi
I dislike the concept design; it's too big, too expensive. Is this really based on the community's need? What is JUMP for? Don't we have other venues for knowledge (New history musuem), culture (Boise is losing whatever culture it had), and ideas (can someone say, JUMP)? Seems hypocritical to me to destroy or rearrange the current space to put in a modern/space age behemoth building to satisfy Bieter's ego. Why do we need multimillion dollar buildings for ideas? Usually ideas come from the oddest places but certainly not as a result of a brand new building. Really?
I dislike the concept design; it's too big, too expensive. Is this really based on the community's need? What is JUMP for? Don't we have other venues for knowledge (New history musuem), culture (Boise is losing whatever culture it had), and ideas (can someone say, JUMP)? Seems hypocritical to me to destroy or rearrange the current space to put in a modern/space age behemoth building to satisfy Bieter's ego. Why do we need multimillion dollar buildings for ideas? Usually ideas come from the oddest places but certainly not as a result of a brand new building. Really?
Supported a comment by James Maguire on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
James Maguire
Traditional library services are the paramount priority. An Automated retrieval system is not called for and will be a continuing maintenance expense and hassle.
Traditional library services are the paramount priority. An Automated retrieval system is not called for and will be a continuing maintenance expense and hassle.
Supported a comment by L Pennisi on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
L Pennisi
As I stated in my previous comment, I will not use any aspect of the new library, especially if I have to pay for parking. Absolutely no way. I will go to the county library or branches before I will go to the main library.
As I stated in my previous comment, I will not use any aspect of the new library, especially if I have to pay for parking. Absolutely no way. I will go to the county library or branches before I will go to the main library.
Supported a comment by Jake Anderson on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Jake Anderson
Checking out books, maybe (unlikely) 3-d printing once or twice. Maybe attending presentations or workshops there.
Checking out books, maybe (unlikely) 3-d printing once or twice. Maybe attending presentations or workshops there.
Supported a comment by Patty Miller on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Patty Miller
The Cabin is part of the City's history and should remain in this location as a building on the National Register of Historic places. The City should ask the architects to re-design the library to include the cabin with appropriate access and open space.
The Cabin is part of the City's history and should remain in this location as a building on the National Register of Historic places. The City should ask the architects to re-design the library to include the cabin with appropriate access and open space.
Supported a comment by Barbara Michele Winston on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Supported a comment by Barbara Michele Winston on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Barbara Michele Winston
Not necessarily.
Not necessarily.
Supported a comment by Barbara Michele Winston on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Supported a comment by Barbara Michele Winston on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Barbara Michele Winston
It's a beautiful design, but not for this space and Boise's main library.
It's a beautiful design, but not for this space and Boise's main library.
Supported a comment by Barbara Michele Winston on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Supported a comment by Barbara Michele Winston on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Barbara Michele Winston
The books!
The books!
Supported a comment by Barbara Michele Winston on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Barbara Michele Winston
I am not sure. It may overshadow the beauty of the Boise River.
I am not sure. It may overshadow the beauty of the Boise River.
Supported a comment by Barbara Feichtinger on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Barbara Feichtinger
I would like the project pared down a little to make it a little more affordable.
I would like the project pared down a little to make it a little more affordable.
Supported a comment by Lisa Denmark on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Lisa Denmark
Include the cabin in its current space into the design since it fits beautifully along side the library with their reading and writing programs.
Include the cabin in its current space into the design since it fits beautifully along side the library with their reading and writing programs.
Supported a comment by Lisa Denmark on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Lisa Denmark
Include and keep the cabin in its current space as a vital piece of Idaho's history
Include and keep the cabin in its current space as a vital piece of Idaho's history
Supported a comment by Lisa Denmark on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Lisa Denmark
The cabin incorporated into the design and stay where it is
The cabin incorporated into the design and stay where it is
Supported a comment by Lisa Denmark on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Lisa Denmark
Not if cabin is removed.
Not if cabin is removed.
Supported a comment by Lisa Denmark on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Lisa Denmark
Incorporate storytelling, reading and writing programs which already exists in the cabin into modern design. Keep cabin in its current space
Incorporate storytelling, reading and writing programs which already exists in the cabin into modern design. Keep cabin in its current space
Supported a comment by David Haney on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
David Haney
The log house need to stay where it is with the human rights site
The log house need to stay where it is with the human rights site
Supported a comment by Dawn Cronk on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Dawn Cronk
What will the inside look like?
What will the inside look like?
Supported a comment by Stan Cole on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Stan Cole
It appears that they design from the outside-in which would lead me to believe that the floor plan has not been developed. I would like to see how the floor plans relate to the whole and the outside.
It appears that they design from the outside-in which would lead me to believe that the floor plan has not been developed. I would like to see how the floor plans relate to the whole and the outside.
Supported a comment by Stan Cole on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Stan Cole
No. the only connection is by the large expanse of glass-hard to envision how the entire design relates to the urban setting-the 8th Street cultural district, JD Park. How does it embrace the greenbelt and other pedestrian opportunities?
No. the only connection is by the large expanse of glass-hard to envision how the entire design relates to the urban setting-the 8th Street cultural district, JD Park. How does it embrace the greenbelt and other pedestrian opportunities?
Supported a comment by Kristi Hansen on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Kristi Hansen
Nothing. Especially the cost and the bird-killing glass.
Nothing. Especially the cost and the bird-killing glass.
Supported a comment by Kristi Hansen on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Kristi Hansen
Abundant free parking.
Abundant free parking.
Supported a comment by Kristi Hansen on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Kristi Hansen
As currently proposed, very rarely. I usually only go now when I take my grandkids. It's too much of a hassle getting toddlers and preschoolers there if we have to walk very far from free available parking.
As currently proposed, very rarely. I usually only go now when I take my grandkids. It's too much of a hassle getting toddlers and preschoolers there if we have to walk very far from free available parking.
Supported a comment by Frances Capell on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Frances Capell
Not impressed with it. Too large. Too many redundancies. Too much glass. Too expensive. Not enough parking. Do not want Log Cabin moved. Consider putting part of it underground to save on utility costs. Let the public in on the plans for public buildings before they reach this stage. Frances Capell
Not impressed with it. Too large. Too many redundancies. Too much glass. Too expensive. Not enough parking. Do not want Log Cabin moved. Consider putting part of it underground to save on utility costs. Let the public in on the plans for public buildings before they reach this stage. Frances Capell
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Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Frances Capell
A more modest design would be just as successful.
A more modest design would be just as successful.
Supported a comment by Frances Capell on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Frances Capell
Too overwhelming for the river and Greenbelt.
Too overwhelming for the river and Greenbelt.
Supported a comment by Colby Spath on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Colby Spath
8th st is a valuable corridor for pedestrians and cyclists from downtown to the Greenbelt. This design does not embrace that. In fact the path show with a sharp angle blind corner is dangerous to pedestrians, runners, and cyclists. Please improve this!
8th st is a valuable corridor for pedestrians and cyclists from downtown to the Greenbelt. This design does not embrace that. In fact the path show with a sharp angle blind corner is dangerous to pedestrians, runners, and cyclists. Please improve this!
Supported a comment by Ashley Neubrand on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Ashley Neubrand
I think should be more practical and blend with old Boise and works with the cabin
I think should be more practical and blend with old Boise and works with the cabin
Supported a comment by Ashley Neubrand on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Ashley Neubrand
no i don't believe it does
no i don't believe it does
Supported a comment by Ashley Neubrand on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Ashley Neubrand
Too urban mod for Boise.. prefer something more classical
Too urban mod for Boise.. prefer something more classical
Supported a comment by Ashley Neubrand on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Ashley Neubrand
The cabin not removed from its original location
The cabin not removed from its original location
Supported a comment by Ty Morrison, AIA on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Ty Morrison, AIA
Looks like any other urban solution. Too slick, too tech, not at all something to mention to orhers.
Looks like any other urban solution. Too slick, too tech, not at all something to mention to orhers.
Supported a comment by Ty Morrison, AIA on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Ty Morrison, AIA
Something that clearly demonstrates the material and environmental concerns of Boise: wood.
Something that clearly demonstrates the material and environmental concerns of Boise: wood.
Supported a comment by Ty Morrison, AIA on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Ty Morrison, AIA
No. This site plan features a North facing outdoor area looking to the capitol which is always cold, shaded and icy in the winter and separates the occupants from the river with a wall of glass reflecting glare: the river side should be the most shaded with a seasonal canopy.
No. This site plan features a North facing outdoor area looking to the capitol which is always cold, shaded and icy in the winter and separates the occupants from the river with a wall of glass reflecting glare: the river side should be the most shaded with a seasonal canopy.
Supported a comment by R Lange on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
R Lange
There is already a walking pathway between Boise State and Downtown on the old bridge.
There is already a walking pathway between Boise State and Downtown on the old bridge.
Supported a comment by Pamela B. on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Pamela B.
My husband who uses a wheelchair doesn't feel comfortable going to City Hall with that new design. I don't want him to feel unwelcomed into a space that we currently use often.
My husband who uses a wheelchair doesn't feel comfortable going to City Hall with that new design. I don't want him to feel unwelcomed into a space that we currently use often.
Supported a comment by Rhonda Rice on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Rhonda Rice
Incorporate a version 2 with the Cabin
Incorporate a version 2 with the Cabin
Supported a comment by Suzanne Troje on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Suzanne Troje
Yes, retain the 'Library!"
Yes, retain the 'Library!"
Supported a comment by Audrey Mavra McCormick on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Audrey Mavra McCormick
It's great. But it appears to be missing the "Library!"
It's great. But it appears to be missing the "Library!"
Supported a comment by S Evans on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
S Evans
Not sure what I think of the ultra modern design. Not really what I think when I think of Boise. I'd rather see cozy small town charm, rather than the cold impersonal city we are starting to become. Wood and stone tends to convey that, especially next to the river. Maybe reduce the size of the plaza and incorporate the Cabin. Parking is also an issue. Maybe reduce the building/plaza footprint, make the building a little taller, and have decent on-site parking, as well as additional off-site. Could leave the cabin alone that way too. But, what really concerns me is the future on-going maintenance. Odd roof lines usually lend themselves to ongoing leaks from day one. Large vaulted prices and southern windows often lead to high electricity costs. What I would really like to see is an energy efficient space that takes advantage of our cool nights to cool down the building and maintain that coolness for as long as possible during the day. If you do not have experience maintenance personnel on your board, please do. I'm involved with a building that if we had done that 15 years ago, we would be spending a lot less money now in both electric costs and in repairs. I'd rather more of the library donations and tax monies going towards programming and books, not building maintenance.
Not sure what I think of the ultra modern design. Not really what I think when I think of Boise. I'd rather see cozy small town charm, rather than the cold impersonal city we are starting to become. Wood and stone tends to convey that, especially next to the river. Maybe reduce the size of the plaza and incorporate the Cabin. Parking is also an issue. Maybe reduce the building/plaza footprint, make the building a little taller, and have decent on-site parking, as well as additional off-site. Could leave the cabin alone that way too. But, what really concerns me is the future on-going maintenance. Odd roof lines usually lend themselves to ongoing leaks from day one. Large vaulted prices and southern windows often lead to high electricity costs. What I would really like to see is an energy efficient space that takes advantage of our cool nights to cool down the building and maintain that coolness for as long as possible during the day. If you do not have experience maintenance personnel on your board, please do. I'm involved with a building that if we had done that 15 years ago, we would be spending a lot less money now in both electric costs and in repairs. I'd rather more of the library donations and tax monies going towards programming and books, not building maintenance.
Supported a comment by Sharon Tabor on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Sharon Tabor
People go to a library for peace and quiet, and to find books and media of interest to them. Do they look out the windows? Probably for about 5 seconds. I agree with others that the window wall represents a problem for birds, not to mention the issue of light on a book collection. It would have to be a very expensive filtered window material not to impact the collection and users.
People go to a library for peace and quiet, and to find books and media of interest to them. Do they look out the windows? Probably for about 5 seconds. I agree with others that the window wall represents a problem for birds, not to mention the issue of light on a book collection. It would have to be a very expensive filtered window material not to impact the collection and users.
Supported a comment by Anne Olden on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Anne Olden
Less open space in front of the building, moving the building north and giving room for the Cabin. This large open area will attract loiterers. Remove the cafe' and give that space to library functions. There are plenty of places to buy coffee and food downtown. Design building structurally so that additional floors can be added. Parking garage needed close by, preferably to the west. Provide for future added floors. Operate as other garages, with one free hour.
Less open space in front of the building, moving the building north and giving room for the Cabin. This large open area will attract loiterers. Remove the cafe' and give that space to library functions. There are plenty of places to buy coffee and food downtown. Design building structurally so that additional floors can be added. Parking garage needed close by, preferably to the west. Provide for future added floors. Operate as other garages, with one free hour.
Supported a comment by Kristin Jones on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Kristin Jones
I teach out in Caldwell, so my comment may not apply to one specific branch, but I would love to see more outreach from the library to connect with rural schools. My students don't have access to a great library on campus, and not all of their parents might think it's in their best interest to take family trips to the library. It would be great to see libraries reaching out to the parts of the community that are typically underserved. As far as the downtown space goes, I would love to see it used for young adult writers to do meet and greets. We need to get our youth more excited about reading because we are so stagnant in our reading scores according to the National Report Card. We can't expect those scores to go up if our students/youth don't care about reading!
I teach out in Caldwell, so my comment may not apply to one specific branch, but I would love to see more outreach from the library to connect with rural schools. My students don't have access to a great library on campus, and not all of their parents might think it's in their best interest to take family trips to the library. It would be great to see libraries reaching out to the parts of the community that are typically underserved. As far as the downtown space goes, I would love to see it used for young adult writers to do meet and greets. We need to get our youth more excited about reading because we are so stagnant in our reading scores according to the National Report Card. We can't expect those scores to go up if our students/youth don't care about reading!
Supported a comment by Dave T. on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Dave T.
Same aspects that I use now - books, dvds, cds, and library programs.
Same aspects that I use now - books, dvds, cds, and library programs.
Supported a comment by Gary Zimmerman on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Gary Zimmerman
Mostly books, periodicals, and media (CDs, Videos, etc).
Mostly books, periodicals, and media (CDs, Videos, etc).
Supported a comment by Gary Zimmerman on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Gary Zimmerman
I think it is a bit overwhelming for the river and greenbelt. Also there needs to be a bit more separation and coordination with the Anne Frank monument. It is strange that Anne Frank was just redesigned to include event space and teaching areas, and then we build a new library right next to it with additional event and program space. Seems to have a lack of coordination.
I think it is a bit overwhelming for the river and greenbelt. Also there needs to be a bit more separation and coordination with the Anne Frank monument. It is strange that Anne Frank was just redesigned to include event space and teaching areas, and then we build a new library right next to it with additional event and program space. Seems to have a lack of coordination.
Supported a comment by Kay Hummel on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Kay Hummel
Please redesign the site plan with more simplicity to meet customers’ true needs. Substantially downsize the northern entrance plaza along River Street and move the building north. A smaller plaza would allow retention of The Cabin, which plays a vital role in the cultural district. The proposed 20,000 sq.ft. outdoor plaza is not useable at least 7 months of the year, whereas other Library functions are needed year-round. There is adequate green space with the 2 rooftop outdoor gardens and other open space indicated on the west side. While the design is initially exciting, I urge reconsideration of truly necessary library functions vs. some community “priorities” listed. For example, a “connection with the River” does not merit top priority when there is abundant access to the Boise River at many nearby locations. Our Library’s two highest functions are library services and space for the Arts and History Dept. Focus on these functions, and proper design will follow. Likewise, I am unclear on the necessity for ‘maker spaces.’ Given the under utilization of Jump’s maker spaces, this is a head scratcher. Adequate parking and auditorium space are the next highest functions that must be designed for, again more vital year-round than a cement-clad plaza (which also will be too hot in two summer months, essentially a baking, reflecting desert). Citizens are not excited about paying for more outdoor gathering spaces when the Downtown core provides ample outdoor sites nearby – Julia Davis, Ann Morrison, the Grove Plaza, and Jump.
Please redesign the site plan with more simplicity to meet customers’ true needs. Substantially downsize the northern entrance plaza along River Street and move the building north. A smaller plaza would allow retention of The Cabin, which plays a vital role in the cultural district. The proposed 20,000 sq.ft. outdoor plaza is not useable at least 7 months of the year, whereas other Library functions are needed year-round. There is adequate green space with the 2 rooftop outdoor gardens and other open space indicated on the west side. While the design is initially exciting, I urge reconsideration of truly necessary library functions vs. some community “priorities” listed. For example, a “connection with the River” does not merit top priority when there is abundant access to the Boise River at many nearby locations. Our Library’s two highest functions are library services and space for the Arts and History Dept. Focus on these functions, and proper design will follow. Likewise, I am unclear on the necessity for ‘maker spaces.’ Given the under utilization of Jump’s maker spaces, this is a head scratcher. Adequate parking and auditorium space are the next highest functions that must be designed for, again more vital year-round than a cement-clad plaza (which also will be too hot in two summer months, essentially a baking, reflecting desert). Citizens are not excited about paying for more outdoor gathering spaces when the Downtown core provides ample outdoor sites nearby – Julia Davis, Ann Morrison, the Grove Plaza, and Jump.
Supported a comment by L Pennisi on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
L Pennisi
Leave the main Library branch as it is. We went down this path a few years ago and the voters rejected changing the main library. Stop spending our money on frivolous projects that will raise our taxes and keep us in debt for 20+ years.
Leave the main Library branch as it is. We went down this path a few years ago and the voters rejected changing the main library. Stop spending our money on frivolous projects that will raise our taxes and keep us in debt for 20+ years.
Supported a comment by James Maguire on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
James Maguire
No. It should respect and incorporate the Cabin. The current south elevation looks like any other high tech 'corporate' office park. Does not suit Boise and is basically a smaller version of what the architect did in SLC.
No. It should respect and incorporate the Cabin. The current south elevation looks like any other high tech 'corporate' office park. Does not suit Boise and is basically a smaller version of what the architect did in SLC.
Supported a comment by L Pennisi on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
L Pennisi
No, especially if a parking garage is part of the plan. Can this City Council leave something as it is? Really, they are remaking this city into an urban renewal utopia and not considering the way people WHO LIVE IN BOISE want to live and what they are willing to pay for. Seems like the City Council is more interested in appealing to outsiders instead of the people who have lived here all their lives or almost.
No, especially if a parking garage is part of the plan. Can this City Council leave something as it is? Really, they are remaking this city into an urban renewal utopia and not considering the way people WHO LIVE IN BOISE want to live and what they are willing to pay for. Seems like the City Council is more interested in appealing to outsiders instead of the people who have lived here all their lives or almost.
Supported a comment by L Pennisi on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
L Pennisi
This building is completely unnecessary and will create another bigger city bureaucracy. Access will be limited to citizens who will have to pay for this behemoth and there will be all sorts of hoops that a user will have to jump through to reserve a room or use any services. This city has enough existing venues for events, programs, and services. Let's see how those venues are used before spending more money. Let's see if they are used, how? by whom? What traffic situations are the result, etc. The city just spent money to redo the history museum. There isn't a room or two that can be used for programs, services, events, and collections? This city is ridiculous and has no boundaries when it comes to spending money. Stop spending our money so frivolously! Just look at the Grove fountain. $750,000 for a fountain. Not good stewards with taxpayer dollars.
This building is completely unnecessary and will create another bigger city bureaucracy. Access will be limited to citizens who will have to pay for this behemoth and there will be all sorts of hoops that a user will have to jump through to reserve a room or use any services. This city has enough existing venues for events, programs, and services. Let's see how those venues are used before spending more money. Let's see if they are used, how? by whom? What traffic situations are the result, etc. The city just spent money to redo the history museum. There isn't a room or two that can be used for programs, services, events, and collections? This city is ridiculous and has no boundaries when it comes to spending money. Stop spending our money so frivolously! Just look at the Grove fountain. $750,000 for a fountain. Not good stewards with taxpayer dollars.
Supported a comment by Jake Anderson on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Jake Anderson
Why no solar panels on the roof? Boise has abundant sunshine, and believe it or not we still have coal plants providing a significant chunk of our power!
Why no solar panels on the roof? Boise has abundant sunshine, and believe it or not we still have coal plants providing a significant chunk of our power!
Supported a comment by James Maguire on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
James Maguire
The design is idiosyncratic and trendy. An Iconic, welcoming, durable and 'timeless' structure would not needlessly call as much attention to itself and would utilize those strategies successfully deployed on past 'timeless' buildings. The current design will be dated in a matter of a few years and due to its unconventional geometry will be expensive to construct and maintain. Boise can do better.
The design is idiosyncratic and trendy. An Iconic, welcoming, durable and 'timeless' structure would not needlessly call as much attention to itself and would utilize those strategies successfully deployed on past 'timeless' buildings. The current design will be dated in a matter of a few years and due to its unconventional geometry will be expensive to construct and maintain. Boise can do better.
Supported a comment by Jake Anderson on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Jake Anderson
The side near the river should have plenty of native trees, and at least some of it should have a "woods" character instead of a "lawn" character. We're ripping natural riparian woodlands and putting in unnatural lawns at a horrifying rate in this town, and in doing so we're destroying habitat for native wildlife like kingfishers and ospreys and replacing it with habitat for starlings and geese. The sides away from the river should feature sagebrush and other plants native to this area. People forget that Idaho's sagebrush steppe has a unique beauty of its own, and a city landmark like the library should celebrate that beauty, rather than replacing it with landscapes more typical of the east.
The side near the river should have plenty of native trees, and at least some of it should have a "woods" character instead of a "lawn" character. We're ripping natural riparian woodlands and putting in unnatural lawns at a horrifying rate in this town, and in doing so we're destroying habitat for native wildlife like kingfishers and ospreys and replacing it with habitat for starlings and geese. The sides away from the river should feature sagebrush and other plants native to this area. People forget that Idaho's sagebrush steppe has a unique beauty of its own, and a city landmark like the library should celebrate that beauty, rather than replacing it with landscapes more typical of the east.
Supported a comment by Barbara Michele Winston on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Barbara Michele Winston
I would like to see the present downtown library building renovated. The design idea is too large and modernistic for this location. It would cost far less money and spare The Cabin. I think additional branches would be a welcome asset to many of the neighborhoods. That would help ease the parking dilemma and crowding concerns at the main library.
I would like to see the present downtown library building renovated. The design idea is too large and modernistic for this location. It would cost far less money and spare The Cabin. I think additional branches would be a welcome asset to many of the neighborhoods. That would help ease the parking dilemma and crowding concerns at the main library.
Supported a comment by Barbara Michele Winston on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Barbara Michele Winston
If parking is an issue I would visit one of the branches.
If parking is an issue I would visit one of the branches.
Supported a comment by Kara Packer on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Kara Packer
I don't like all the windows. I think the money set aside for redesigning the library could be better used elsewhere in Boise to improve parks and trails. In general, continue to make the city more pedestrian, family and biker friendly.
I don't like all the windows. I think the money set aside for redesigning the library could be better used elsewhere in Boise to improve parks and trails. In general, continue to make the city more pedestrian, family and biker friendly.
Supported a comment by Lori Dingel on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Lori Dingel
I don't like it. It looks more like a modern art museum than the Boise main library. Our library should honor Boise's past and have the technology of today. The structure should reflect old Boise architecture with red brick and detailing such as the Jefferson Building and Old Boise buildings downtown.
I don't like it. It looks more like a modern art museum than the Boise main library. Our library should honor Boise's past and have the technology of today. The structure should reflect old Boise architecture with red brick and detailing such as the Jefferson Building and Old Boise buildings downtown.
Supported a comment by Pamela B. on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Pamela B.
I haven't seen any information of how we're going to pay for this in the long run. Such a big beautiful building needs to be maintained. Salaries need to be paid. Gardeners need to maintain all the new plants. I'm very concerned about how much this is going to cost after it's built.
I haven't seen any information of how we're going to pay for this in the long run. Such a big beautiful building needs to be maintained. Salaries need to be paid. Gardeners need to maintain all the new plants. I'm very concerned about how much this is going to cost after it's built.
Supported a comment by Frances Capell on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Frances Capell
I am not impressed. It is too large for Boise, plus a more modest design would leave funds for salaries and utilities. So in summary, too expensive, too grandiose, too much glass, too many redundancies, not enough parking, does not preserve the Log Cabin. The public of Boise should have input into the design of PUBLIC buildings.
I am not impressed. It is too large for Boise, plus a more modest design would leave funds for salaries and utilities. So in summary, too expensive, too grandiose, too much glass, too many redundancies, not enough parking, does not preserve the Log Cabin. The public of Boise should have input into the design of PUBLIC buildings.
Supported a comment by Lynette Daudt on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Lynette Daudt
Green outside spaces, not concrete and glass!
Green outside spaces, not concrete and glass!
Supported a comment by David Klinger on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
David Klinger
I believe that “storytelling” starts with the history that’s currently on the property, and which is now proposed for eviction. I’d tell the story of how this site — the two Civilian Conservation Corps structures that “bookend” the 1931 Capitol Boulevard Bridge were where modern forestry in Idaho really began in the New Deal. More thn 28,000 young men came to Idaho in the Depression (more than any other state but California) to enlist in Franklin Roosevelt’s “tree army”. Many of them stayed, and their descendants are still here in Idaho. Many of them toured “The Cabin” in their elementary school days, when it was the home of the Idaho State Forester, where they learned about trees and wood and fire and mountains for nearly 50 years when the state’s forest programs where centered here. I’d tell them that story was, essentially, lost when we wiped “The Cabin” off this place, to become an idle, museum-piece elsewhere that — like so many other Boise historic structures — was divorced from its birthplace. Yes, I would like to see much more storytelling in any new library. It will be the only way we can remember what Boise once possessed, but lacked the foresight to meaningfully preserve.
I believe that “storytelling” starts with the history that’s currently on the property, and which is now proposed for eviction. I’d tell the story of how this site — the two Civilian Conservation Corps structures that “bookend” the 1931 Capitol Boulevard Bridge were where modern forestry in Idaho really began in the New Deal. More thn 28,000 young men came to Idaho in the Depression (more than any other state but California) to enlist in Franklin Roosevelt’s “tree army”. Many of them stayed, and their descendants are still here in Idaho. Many of them toured “The Cabin” in their elementary school days, when it was the home of the Idaho State Forester, where they learned about trees and wood and fire and mountains for nearly 50 years when the state’s forest programs where centered here. I’d tell them that story was, essentially, lost when we wiped “The Cabin” off this place, to become an idle, museum-piece elsewhere that — like so many other Boise historic structures — was divorced from its birthplace. Yes, I would like to see much more storytelling in any new library. It will be the only way we can remember what Boise once possessed, but lacked the foresight to meaningfully preserve.
Supported a comment by Sharon Sproul on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Sharon Sproul
Nothing! We don't need it. Stop the spending Mayor Beiter. You are always raising our taxes for things we don't want or need. You are taxing us out of our homes.
Nothing! We don't need it. Stop the spending Mayor Beiter. You are always raising our taxes for things we don't want or need. You are taxing us out of our homes.
Supported a comment by Neil Luther on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Neil Luther
The design is fine. However I noticed the event space is listed as not being funded. First I would prefer usable space be prioritized over expensive design options. I also am very unhappy with the city for not even proposing a design where The Cabin remains where it sits. Not only can a move impact listing on the NRHP the Cabin is "The Cabin is the hub for the literary arts in the state of Idaho." How does it not make sense for The Cabin to remain next to Boise's brand new Library? Particularly if one were to consider the event space proposed with the new Library that would be available for The Cabin to use. If the Cabin remains this would save on costs associated with moving as well as prevent any potential damage a move could incur. The Cabin Building is owned by the city and leased by the non profit for very minimal cost (I have heard as low as $1 a year). If this is the case the City of Boise can force the building to stay where it is and let the Director and Board decide if they want to move their business or not. If the building stays and the non-profit leaves, the building becomes more space to host programs for the Library. I have concerns with the energy use of the building. There is a lot of glass particularly with the Urban Room. I do not know if this will be an efficient building
The design is fine. However I noticed the event space is listed as not being funded. First I would prefer usable space be prioritized over expensive design options. I also am very unhappy with the city for not even proposing a design where The Cabin remains where it sits. Not only can a move impact listing on the NRHP the Cabin is "The Cabin is the hub for the literary arts in the state of Idaho." How does it not make sense for The Cabin to remain next to Boise's brand new Library? Particularly if one were to consider the event space proposed with the new Library that would be available for The Cabin to use. If the Cabin remains this would save on costs associated with moving as well as prevent any potential damage a move could incur. The Cabin Building is owned by the city and leased by the non profit for very minimal cost (I have heard as low as $1 a year). If this is the case the City of Boise can force the building to stay where it is and let the Director and Board decide if they want to move their business or not. If the building stays and the non-profit leaves, the building becomes more space to host programs for the Library. I have concerns with the energy use of the building. There is a lot of glass particularly with the Urban Room. I do not know if this will be an efficient building
Supported a comment by bonnie zimmerman on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
bonnie zimmerman
I think the design concept has been created to fit a grand library in the space they could take. Any concept to bring people together needs to think about parking. Including safe bicycle parking and lighted walkways. A library needs to be where the people are, or can easily reach. We don't need a grand library. We need multiple neighborhood libraries with updated books, references. Keep updated with technology in all libraries. City tax money needs to be used to the benefit of everyone.
I think the design concept has been created to fit a grand library in the space they could take. Any concept to bring people together needs to think about parking. Including safe bicycle parking and lighted walkways. A library needs to be where the people are, or can easily reach. We don't need a grand library. We need multiple neighborhood libraries with updated books, references. Keep updated with technology in all libraries. City tax money needs to be used to the benefit of everyone.
Supported a comment by Sonja Vogt on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Sonja Vogt
There is no choice of designs. It appears to me that this is the only building concept being discussed. I would like to see other design concepts.
There is no choice of designs. It appears to me that this is the only building concept being discussed. I would like to see other design concepts.
Supported a comment by Joy Salas on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Joy Salas
I would like to see us as a community help those less fortunate. Use the money being used for this library and build housing for the homeless. Put things in place to give them a hand up!!
I would like to see us as a community help those less fortunate. Use the money being used for this library and build housing for the homeless. Put things in place to give them a hand up!!
Supported a comment by Lindsay Mosqueda on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Lindsay Mosqueda
We need to leave the Boise Library alone and make updates as needed. This is what gives Boise its charm and stripping away the history surounding the building along with the building itself does not do this city any justice. I have grown up in that library and while it does need updated, tearing it down destroys what Boise is. The design is atrocious and does not fit into this community. That money could be used in so many different ways that would more benifical to the community than this eyesore. Stop demolishing what everyone loves about Boise. Traffic and parking are already a problem and now you want to create this. Truly sad and disappointing.
We need to leave the Boise Library alone and make updates as needed. This is what gives Boise its charm and stripping away the history surounding the building along with the building itself does not do this city any justice. I have grown up in that library and while it does need updated, tearing it down destroys what Boise is. The design is atrocious and does not fit into this community. That money could be used in so many different ways that would more benifical to the community than this eyesore. Stop demolishing what everyone loves about Boise. Traffic and parking are already a problem and now you want to create this. Truly sad and disappointing.
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
M. Thomas
Not any more than it already is; the site is next to the River and easily accessed by the Greenbelt. This has nothing to do with a library. I go to the Library for books and programming, not to look at the River or Greenbelt.
Not any more than it already is; the site is next to the River and easily accessed by the Greenbelt. This has nothing to do with a library. I go to the Library for books and programming, not to look at the River or Greenbelt.
Supported a comment by Dave T. on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Dave T.
Inclusion of the Arts and History department at the Main Library location. It just makes sense with the Cabin right there (not moved), then BAM and Idaho History across the street. This survey does not match what is on the Main Library. Why don’t you ask me what I don’t like about the proposed concept instead of making me cram it all in at the end under “other comments”. Oh wait, this survey does not have other comments at the end.
Inclusion of the Arts and History department at the Main Library location. It just makes sense with the Cabin right there (not moved), then BAM and Idaho History across the street. This survey does not match what is on the Main Library. Why don’t you ask me what I don’t like about the proposed concept instead of making me cram it all in at the end under “other comments”. Oh wait, this survey does not have other comments at the end.
Supported a comment by L Pennisi on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
L Pennisi
Never, especially if I have to pay to park, which is another part of the project. ANOTHER PARKING GARAGE!! Of course, the city will make patrons pay for the privilege to go to the library. Someone will have to pay for all this and it will the taxpayers. With Kindles and every other type of e-reader, do we really need a bigger library? What is the basis for this plan. Stop trying to change this city to impress who? Who is Bieter and the City Council trying to impress here? I didn't move to Boise to see it change into every other big city. What is the return on investment? So we can "feel" good? What need justifies this expense? What problem is the City Council and Bieter trying to solve? I don't think there is a problem; they just like to spend millions of dollars as often as possible and keep this city in a constant state of upheaval. How about we have a moratorium on building ANYTHING for one year? Let's see where the current building projects land. What unintended consequences are created? What new problems did the City Council create with their grandiose plans that the rest of us have to suffer through?
Never, especially if I have to pay to park, which is another part of the project. ANOTHER PARKING GARAGE!! Of course, the city will make patrons pay for the privilege to go to the library. Someone will have to pay for all this and it will the taxpayers. With Kindles and every other type of e-reader, do we really need a bigger library? What is the basis for this plan. Stop trying to change this city to impress who? Who is Bieter and the City Council trying to impress here? I didn't move to Boise to see it change into every other big city. What is the return on investment? So we can "feel" good? What need justifies this expense? What problem is the City Council and Bieter trying to solve? I don't think there is a problem; they just like to spend millions of dollars as often as possible and keep this city in a constant state of upheaval. How about we have a moratorium on building ANYTHING for one year? Let's see where the current building projects land. What unintended consequences are created? What new problems did the City Council create with their grandiose plans that the rest of us have to suffer through?
Supported a comment by Jake Anderson on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Jake Anderson
I want to see plenty of bike parking with good bike racks. Not awkward, stylized bike racks--ordinary, user-friendly bike racks that are easy to lock your bike to. Additionally, it would be nice to have a book drop that is convenient to cyclists. Besides that, less concrete, less asphalt, and plenty of native trees, please. The library is right next to the river; let's maintain some natural riparian habitat. I don't think a "modern, innovative gateway" is the right question to ask the public in order to assess whether we like your design, and the fact that it was question #2 makes me wonder about the design team's priorities. For example, I would be perfectly happy with a building stylized like a 19th century train station or Roman temple (or a 1940s warehouse adapted into an attractive, fully functional library) if it was generally attractive, practical, and cost-effective.
I want to see plenty of bike parking with good bike racks. Not awkward, stylized bike racks--ordinary, user-friendly bike racks that are easy to lock your bike to. Additionally, it would be nice to have a book drop that is convenient to cyclists. Besides that, less concrete, less asphalt, and plenty of native trees, please. The library is right next to the river; let's maintain some natural riparian habitat. I don't think a "modern, innovative gateway" is the right question to ask the public in order to assess whether we like your design, and the fact that it was question #2 makes me wonder about the design team's priorities. For example, I would be perfectly happy with a building stylized like a 19th century train station or Roman temple (or a 1940s warehouse adapted into an attractive, fully functional library) if it was generally attractive, practical, and cost-effective.
Supported a comment by Stan Cole on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Stan Cole
It is uninspired and looks like a large corporate office. For 85M this design should be unique to Boise and not pulled off the shelf by an "Iconic" architecture firms past designs. The large expanse of glass on the South portion of the building tells me the architect team has not visited Boise in July and August. What is the reason for building up the site in order to have a grand monumental stair on a relatively flat site?
It is uninspired and looks like a large corporate office. For 85M this design should be unique to Boise and not pulled off the shelf by an "Iconic" architecture firms past designs. The large expanse of glass on the South portion of the building tells me the architect team has not visited Boise in July and August. What is the reason for building up the site in order to have a grand monumental stair on a relatively flat site?
Supported a comment by Stan Cole on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Stan Cole
Materialism and design that relates specifically to Boise. The design is very void of anything unique or that would stand the test of time.
Materialism and design that relates specifically to Boise. The design is very void of anything unique or that would stand the test of time.
Supported a comment by Kristi Hansen on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Kristi Hansen
I would like to see a much more modest and less costly design, one that reflects and serves the majority of the population instead of being eye-candy for the top 5%. Building the Taj Mahal of libraries is a want. Doing something about Boise's lack of affordable housing that's driving the city's growing homeless population is a need, along with improved CITY-WIDE public transit.
I would like to see a much more modest and less costly design, one that reflects and serves the majority of the population instead of being eye-candy for the top 5%. Building the Taj Mahal of libraries is a want. Doing something about Boise's lack of affordable housing that's driving the city's growing homeless population is a need, along with improved CITY-WIDE public transit.
Supported a comment by Lynette Daudt on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Lynette Daudt
Indeed, we DO NOT need this to also be an event center!!!
Indeed, we DO NOT need this to also be an event center!!!
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
M. Thomas
This is really important feedback considering this design is from the same architect. I too love our traditional library that is not trying to be an events center, which we already have numerous of nearby - JUMP, the Grove, the Museums, BCT, not to mention outdoor spaces.
This is really important feedback considering this design is from the same architect. I too love our traditional library that is not trying to be an events center, which we already have numerous of nearby - JUMP, the Grove, the Museums, BCT, not to mention outdoor spaces.
Supported a comment by Jamie Kaiser on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Jamie Kaiser
I am excited that this proposal would likely mean a more bulked up collection of books. That being said, I am a library super user and when I lived in Salt Lake City I rarely used the library because its design was inefficient. I fear this library suffers from the same flaws. I was so excited when I moved to Boise and was able to experience a traditional library that wasn’t masquerading as an events center.
I am excited that this proposal would likely mean a more bulked up collection of books. That being said, I am a library super user and when I lived in Salt Lake City I rarely used the library because its design was inefficient. I fear this library suffers from the same flaws. I was so excited when I moved to Boise and was able to experience a traditional library that wasn’t masquerading as an events center.
Supported a comment by Jamie Kaiser on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Jamie Kaiser
I already visit weekly. Honestly this new building would cause me to cut down on visits.
I already visit weekly. Honestly this new building would cause me to cut down on visits.
Supported a comment by R Lange on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
R Lange
Incorporate the historic log cabin into the new history center. Provide interpretive information about the log cabin; the site, it's original purpose and scope within state history and economy. Create a history of logging and use of wood products within Idaho as first new program for the history center.
Incorporate the historic log cabin into the new history center. Provide interpretive information about the log cabin; the site, it's original purpose and scope within state history and economy. Create a history of logging and use of wood products within Idaho as first new program for the history center.
Supported a comment by Matthew Castel on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Matthew Castel
I think the modern look is nice, but the southern exposure will have too much sun and cause issues with the cooling costs and the bleaching of library materials. The design may also cause issues with traffic by blinding northbound drivers.
I think the modern look is nice, but the southern exposure will have too much sun and cause issues with the cooling costs and the bleaching of library materials. The design may also cause issues with traffic by blinding northbound drivers.
Supported a comment by Margie Baehr on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Margie Baehr
PLEASE don't have the Department of Arts & History duplicate services that are already provided in the community by BAM and others. Why do you feel a need to, as you state in your brochure, offer "professionally curated exhibitions" when we have a first-class art museum across the street? This is a waste of money and resources. BAM has been the center for visual arts for our city for over 80 years and deserves more support from Boise.
PLEASE don't have the Department of Arts & History duplicate services that are already provided in the community by BAM and others. Why do you feel a need to, as you state in your brochure, offer "professionally curated exhibitions" when we have a first-class art museum across the street? This is a waste of money and resources. BAM has been the center for visual arts for our city for over 80 years and deserves more support from Boise.
Supported a comment by Lynette Daudt on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Lynette Daudt
And, I whole-heartedly agree with him, Margie!
And, I whole-heartedly agree with him, Margie!
Supported a comment by Margie Baehr on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Margie Baehr
It's an albatross! This is a giant structure with no parking. Public transit is inadequate. We lose green-space and the literary Cabin. Unfortunately, a gift shop and snack bar will not be a significant draw for foot traffic. Because of inadequate parking, this new library will be utilized even less than the current Library! I fear that this new library will become a liability, not an asset. Duplication of services is also a concern. Specifically I'm referring to the plans for curated art space. We have a lovely, small art museum, BAM, right across Capital Blvd, with experience in showcasing local artists as well as bringing significant exhibitions to Boise. Besides, BAM has inadequate exhibit space for it's large collection of excellent art. Will BAM be responsible for the art gallery space at the new library, or has the city decided to hire duplicate staff to manage this area? If the city is going to "go big" with the "Gateway to the City" concept, wouldn't a better gateway include plans to save the Cabin and pair a smaller new library with an expanded Boise Art Museum facility directly across Capital Blvd?
It's an albatross! This is a giant structure with no parking. Public transit is inadequate. We lose green-space and the literary Cabin. Unfortunately, a gift shop and snack bar will not be a significant draw for foot traffic. Because of inadequate parking, this new library will be utilized even less than the current Library! I fear that this new library will become a liability, not an asset. Duplication of services is also a concern. Specifically I'm referring to the plans for curated art space. We have a lovely, small art museum, BAM, right across Capital Blvd, with experience in showcasing local artists as well as bringing significant exhibitions to Boise. Besides, BAM has inadequate exhibit space for it's large collection of excellent art. Will BAM be responsible for the art gallery space at the new library, or has the city decided to hire duplicate staff to manage this area? If the city is going to "go big" with the "Gateway to the City" concept, wouldn't a better gateway include plans to save the Cabin and pair a smaller new library with an expanded Boise Art Museum facility directly across Capital Blvd?
Supported a comment by David Klinger on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
David Klinger
Certainly not the parking. I suppose I might sit on the front lawn every so often and mourn, and wonder why history — in the form of The Cabin — was booted off the property to achieve ... a lawn. And then I would wonder why a historic cabin was exiled from its historic place because it didn’t interfere with either the footprint of the new library or with the limited parking that resulted. Finally, I would ponder why Boise history was scraped off this parcel, just so the City of Boise’s arts and history program could be re-located from City Hall to the new library. I’d consider the irony of that outcome, just like in Vietnam how we onced needed to “destroy the village in order to save it”. Yes, the new library would give me a place to reflect on such inequities.
Certainly not the parking. I suppose I might sit on the front lawn every so often and mourn, and wonder why history — in the form of The Cabin — was booted off the property to achieve ... a lawn. And then I would wonder why a historic cabin was exiled from its historic place because it didn’t interfere with either the footprint of the new library or with the limited parking that resulted. Finally, I would ponder why Boise history was scraped off this parcel, just so the City of Boise’s arts and history program could be re-located from City Hall to the new library. I’d consider the irony of that outcome, just like in Vietnam how we onced needed to “destroy the village in order to save it”. Yes, the new library would give me a place to reflect on such inequities.
Supported a comment by Scott K. on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Scott K.
What would help city leaders is for the public to discuss and consider alternative designs along with project and operations and maintenance costs. For instance, the costs of maintaining the current library vs establishing branches throughout the city vs standalone event centers and the Boise Arts and History Center. It seems as if the public is being asked to consider a yes or no answer to a design that may or not be modified further. A cost benefit analysis that considers a variety of alternatives would help build support.
What would help city leaders is for the public to discuss and consider alternative designs along with project and operations and maintenance costs. For instance, the costs of maintaining the current library vs establishing branches throughout the city vs standalone event centers and the Boise Arts and History Center. It seems as if the public is being asked to consider a yes or no answer to a design that may or not be modified further. A cost benefit analysis that considers a variety of alternatives would help build support.
Supported a comment by Scott K. on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Scott K.
Absolutely not. Where is the access to the Greenbelt? Where are elements of the Boise River reflected in the design? It's a lot of concrete and glass with beige walls - emphasis on the walls, concrete or glass that separate individuals from access to both the river and Greenbelt. . The Boise River, to me, is free flowing, wild, clean, and green.
Absolutely not. Where is the access to the Greenbelt? Where are elements of the Boise River reflected in the design? It's a lot of concrete and glass with beige walls - emphasis on the walls, concrete or glass that separate individuals from access to both the river and Greenbelt. . The Boise River, to me, is free flowing, wild, clean, and green.
Supported a comment by Jay Carlisle on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Jay Carlisle
I would like the City to ensure bird-safe designs - in terms of glass being bird-safe but also the overall design. I.e., best not to have trees/other vegetation that is attractive to birds be near windows as it might act as a "trap" - luring birds into an area where the risk of window strikes is high. Also, why move the building closer to the river? Keeping it closer to River Street would maintain more of a distance between the library building and the important bird habitat while also likely preserving The Cabin (not important to me but clearly important to many others).
I would like the City to ensure bird-safe designs - in terms of glass being bird-safe but also the overall design. I.e., best not to have trees/other vegetation that is attractive to birds be near windows as it might act as a "trap" - luring birds into an area where the risk of window strikes is high. Also, why move the building closer to the river? Keeping it closer to River Street would maintain more of a distance between the library building and the important bird habitat while also likely preserving The Cabin (not important to me but clearly important to many others).
Supported a comment by Pamela B. on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Pamela B.
There need to be housing options in this city. Where do we put the homeless if current renters who are looking are being asked to make 3 times the cost of rent?
There need to be housing options in this city. Where do we put the homeless if current renters who are looking are being asked to make 3 times the cost of rent?
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
M. Thomas
Significantly less than the 2-3 times per week that I use the library now, if at all. This proposed campus lacks Boise history, character, and identity; and looks unwelcoming in its grandeur. I go to the main library for books, programming, friendly staff, and its unique spaces (the storywell, curved book shelves, windows overlooking staff desks topped with generations of storybook characters, central stairwell, and on); I am not looking for a Barnes & Noble shopping experience or views of the river.
Significantly less than the 2-3 times per week that I use the library now, if at all. This proposed campus lacks Boise history, character, and identity; and looks unwelcoming in its grandeur. I go to the main library for books, programming, friendly staff, and its unique spaces (the storywell, curved book shelves, windows overlooking staff desks topped with generations of storybook characters, central stairwell, and on); I am not looking for a Barnes & Noble shopping experience or views of the river.
Supported a comment by Lynette Daudt on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Lynette Daudt
NO demolishing of any existing warehouse buildings in that neighborhood! Renovate and incorporate them.
NO demolishing of any existing warehouse buildings in that neighborhood! Renovate and incorporate them.
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
M. Thomas
Books, free use of any meeting or event spaces to any patron or community group, community outreach to underserved community groups, accessibility for all as determined by those with accessibility needs. Does this site plan open access to Boise State University across the river and the Cultural District within or near 8th Street? Not any more than it already is, and possibly less with the hardscaping of 8th Street. The Cultural District is also the Historic Warehouse District, yet this plan demolishes the Salt Lake Hardware Company Warehouse and 45 years of library history and culture.
Books, free use of any meeting or event spaces to any patron or community group, community outreach to underserved community groups, accessibility for all as determined by those with accessibility needs. Does this site plan open access to Boise State University across the river and the Cultural District within or near 8th Street? Not any more than it already is, and possibly less with the hardscaping of 8th Street. The Cultural District is also the Historic Warehouse District, yet this plan demolishes the Salt Lake Hardware Company Warehouse and 45 years of library history and culture.
Supported a comment by Gary Zimmerman on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Gary Zimmerman
(1) I really would like to see a design that focuses on being a library and not everything else. For example we have a history museum that was recently remodeled and may be a good choice for a center for arts and history. Also JUMP and Anne Frank could be better utilized for teaching and event space. (2) A modular, fiscally responsible, design and construction plan that allows a more phased build out over time. This could allow the plan to react to changes in the community overtime as well. (3) This library project should not take away from the mission to bring materials to all locations of the valley with branch libraries, etc. This project seems to overpower and take away from the core mission and value of libraries within the overall community.
(1) I really would like to see a design that focuses on being a library and not everything else. For example we have a history museum that was recently remodeled and may be a good choice for a center for arts and history. Also JUMP and Anne Frank could be better utilized for teaching and event space. (2) A modular, fiscally responsible, design and construction plan that allows a more phased build out over time. This could allow the plan to react to changes in the community overtime as well. (3) This library project should not take away from the mission to bring materials to all locations of the valley with branch libraries, etc. This project seems to overpower and take away from the core mission and value of libraries within the overall community.
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
M. Thomas
The current library is a piece of Warehouse District history, even though it falls outside of the protection of the Historic Warehouse / South 8th Street Historic District, and as such it would be terrible to see it demolished. If a new central library is needed, why not closer to the Mall area where it would be more central for Boise residents, and the downtown library could become a branch library? Or just more branch libraries throughout the city? I really like your idea of the Armory for Arts & History and event space. Then the Fort Boise Community Center could be updated and that area would serve as a community gathering space.
The current library is a piece of Warehouse District history, even though it falls outside of the protection of the Historic Warehouse / South 8th Street Historic District, and as such it would be terrible to see it demolished. If a new central library is needed, why not closer to the Mall area where it would be more central for Boise residents, and the downtown library could become a branch library? Or just more branch libraries throughout the city? I really like your idea of the Armory for Arts & History and event space. Then the Fort Boise Community Center could be updated and that area would serve as a community gathering space.
Supported a comment by R Lange on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
R Lange
Scott has a really great alternative location idea!
Scott has a really great alternative location idea!
Supported a comment by scott tagg on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
scott tagg
I like the overall design of the building, but not the location. The city has better options. Demolish the current library and replace with parking garage and first floor retail. Build the new library at the western gateway into the city, at whitewater and Fairview (Local Construct project, which would have parking garage and apartments). Arts and History and event venue space should move to the Boise Armory, as it has space and ample parking. Include a City of Boise museum at the Armory. Again the design is great, but not that location. We can do better!
I like the overall design of the building, but not the location. The city has better options. Demolish the current library and replace with parking garage and first floor retail. Build the new library at the western gateway into the city, at whitewater and Fairview (Local Construct project, which would have parking garage and apartments). Arts and History and event venue space should move to the Boise Armory, as it has space and ample parking. Include a City of Boise museum at the Armory. Again the design is great, but not that location. We can do better!
Supported a comment by R Lange on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
R Lange
Another really good alternative idea for Arts and History location!
Another really good alternative idea for Arts and History location!
Supported a comment by scott tagg on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
scott tagg
Arts and history needs their own location, and we need a city of Boise museum. Boise Armory has been vacant for too long. Plus there should be enough room and parking for a 300 seat venue.
Arts and history needs their own location, and we need a city of Boise museum. Boise Armory has been vacant for too long. Plus there should be enough room and parking for a 300 seat venue.
Supported a comment by C Shaw on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
C Shaw
My family currently visits the library at least once a week. Onsite parking is crucial in maintaining the convenience and habit of library use. This design destroys another part of our historic downtown by removing the Cabin and expresses a paradigm of excess and waste. Boise is well supplied with affordable, family friendly theaters and BAM is directly across the street. This would be a better place for the Arts and History piece. Good libraries are so important...this design does not emphasis or celebrate the Library!.
My family currently visits the library at least once a week. Onsite parking is crucial in maintaining the convenience and habit of library use. This design destroys another part of our historic downtown by removing the Cabin and expresses a paradigm of excess and waste. Boise is well supplied with affordable, family friendly theaters and BAM is directly across the street. This would be a better place for the Arts and History piece. Good libraries are so important...this design does not emphasis or celebrate the Library!.
Supported a comment by Lynette Daudt on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Lynette Daudt
Couldn't agree more.
Couldn't agree more.
Supported a comment by David Klinger on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
David Klinger
I would like to see less. “Less” can sometimes be “more”. First, it’s apparent that this design is less of a library and more of a “social events center” that relegates library functions to the background, almost as an afterthought. Library functions need greater prominence in this structure, not less. As far as the “urban meeting place” and “epicenter of culture” sales pitches for this new design, I thought Boise was supposed to already possess an “urban meeting place”? It’s called JUMP. Have you considered the possibility that two “urban meeting places” (requiring two massive parking structures) may tend to de-market each other? Pity this project wasn’t approached 10 years ago as a “public-private partnership” between the City of Boise and the Simplot Corporation that would have consolidated all of these functions (library, arts, meeting space, etc.) into one really outstanding venue. It’s called “achieving critical mass” and had these projects been approached collectively, instead of “stove-piping” them separately, we might have gotten a single, better facility, at less overall cost, than two duplicative facilities that may wind up consuming valuable downtown space while providing limited services for the average Boise resident. A real missed opportunity.
I would like to see less. “Less” can sometimes be “more”. First, it’s apparent that this design is less of a library and more of a “social events center” that relegates library functions to the background, almost as an afterthought. Library functions need greater prominence in this structure, not less. As far as the “urban meeting place” and “epicenter of culture” sales pitches for this new design, I thought Boise was supposed to already possess an “urban meeting place”? It’s called JUMP. Have you considered the possibility that two “urban meeting places” (requiring two massive parking structures) may tend to de-market each other? Pity this project wasn’t approached 10 years ago as a “public-private partnership” between the City of Boise and the Simplot Corporation that would have consolidated all of these functions (library, arts, meeting space, etc.) into one really outstanding venue. It’s called “achieving critical mass” and had these projects been approached collectively, instead of “stove-piping” them separately, we might have gotten a single, better facility, at less overall cost, than two duplicative facilities that may wind up consuming valuable downtown space while providing limited services for the average Boise resident. A real missed opportunity.
Supported a comment by Lynette Daudt on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Lynette Daudt
"heat into the greenbelt area" is a very important consideration. An all glass wall could significantly change the river habitat!
"heat into the greenbelt area" is a very important consideration. An all glass wall could significantly change the river habitat!
Supported a comment by Sonja Vogt on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Sonja Vogt
This building is first and foremost a library. So the space for the library should be the main focus. The rooftop gardens proposed for the Center for Arts & History and Event Space are similar to those seen in downtown Portland. The gardens are very attractive, as long as they do not add a great deal of structural cost. I am always in favor of greenery incorporated into urban environments. Thinking about blending into the natural environment more thought should to be put into the south facing wall of windows. The impact on wildlife, and reflection of light and heat into the Greenbelt area and the adjoining street would be detrimental.
This building is first and foremost a library. So the space for the library should be the main focus. The rooftop gardens proposed for the Center for Arts & History and Event Space are similar to those seen in downtown Portland. The gardens are very attractive, as long as they do not add a great deal of structural cost. I am always in favor of greenery incorporated into urban environments. Thinking about blending into the natural environment more thought should to be put into the south facing wall of windows. The impact on wildlife, and reflection of light and heat into the Greenbelt area and the adjoining street would be detrimental.
Supported a comment by Lynette Daudt on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Lynette Daudt
Yes, true public input that actually wants to work with the public is what's needed. I didn't even know about this until very recently. And drawing in "out-of-towners"?! ridiculous! A library is for the locals. Our numerous event enters, stadiums and theaters are for the out of town draw. We have enough of those already. Who's behind this? Who wants the old event center to be sold/torn down and for what? Who's name is going on this complex? This is all too grandiose to be for "Boiseans", the people.
Yes, true public input that actually wants to work with the public is what's needed. I didn't even know about this until very recently. And drawing in "out-of-towners"?! ridiculous! A library is for the locals. Our numerous event enters, stadiums and theaters are for the out of town draw. We have enough of those already. Who's behind this? Who wants the old event center to be sold/torn down and for what? Who's name is going on this complex? This is all too grandiose to be for "Boiseans", the people.
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
M. Thomas
Additional comments is not open for comments. The survey links are not allowing people to submit feedback. As a high-use patron, I have been shocked at the lack of public input or outreach for this project, starting with the Visioning Workshops. The stated goals were created by “the project steering committee” according to the available executive summary – what does being an iconic gateway, a destination for out-of-towners, or incorporating the River have to do with a library? How many people were included in these workshops from diverse populations, non-English speakers, homeless coalition, refugee community, varying accessibility needs, etc.? There have been no signs in the libraries, no outreach other than Facebook and the main web site. Regular patrons have no knowledge of the proposed plan, much less the July open houses. The open house at the main library was on a Friday evening, during a heavy vacation month, and 1 ½ of the 2 hour period was after the library had closed. This process needs to slow down: offer visioning workshops that do not start with a presentation of the proposed space based on 2014 and earlier data; host the open house series once per week over a series of weeks; leave the survey link open at least one month; have large posters with the plan, open house dates, and survey links at the entrance of each library branch.
Additional comments is not open for comments. The survey links are not allowing people to submit feedback. As a high-use patron, I have been shocked at the lack of public input or outreach for this project, starting with the Visioning Workshops. The stated goals were created by “the project steering committee” according to the available executive summary – what does being an iconic gateway, a destination for out-of-towners, or incorporating the River have to do with a library? How many people were included in these workshops from diverse populations, non-English speakers, homeless coalition, refugee community, varying accessibility needs, etc.? There have been no signs in the libraries, no outreach other than Facebook and the main web site. Regular patrons have no knowledge of the proposed plan, much less the July open houses. The open house at the main library was on a Friday evening, during a heavy vacation month, and 1 ½ of the 2 hour period was after the library had closed. This process needs to slow down: offer visioning workshops that do not start with a presentation of the proposed space based on 2014 and earlier data; host the open house series once per week over a series of weeks; leave the survey link open at least one month; have large posters with the plan, open house dates, and survey links at the entrance of each library branch.
Supported a comment by James Maguire on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
James Maguire
Agree; more clarity on financing plan is needed.
Agree; more clarity on financing plan is needed.
Supported a comment by Dave T. on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Dave T.
A better set of survey questions. The question 2 packs too much in and i can’t say yes to every aspect of the question so I have to say no. I’d like to see other INNOVATIVE plans by local architects that incorporate the existing warehouse building and keep the cabin where it is. I would like to see a more detailed budget That includes the sources of money instead of a line item marked “Other” for $53.8 million in the budget.
A better set of survey questions. The question 2 packs too much in and i can’t say yes to every aspect of the question so I have to say no. I’d like to see other INNOVATIVE plans by local architects that incorporate the existing warehouse building and keep the cabin where it is. I would like to see a more detailed budget That includes the sources of money instead of a line item marked “Other” for $53.8 million in the budget.
Supported a comment by Dave T. on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Dave T.
This survey is so poorly implemented and does not match the one on the Main Library site. I had prepared comments for the "Other Comments" section and then get here to find there is not place to leave other comments. I would have used the one on the main library site but that one has been giving a "500: Internal Server Error" all weekend and into today, the last day of the survey. So where do I give my actual feedback???? I think the initial visioning workshops where a joke. I read the executive summary and on the first page it even states “project goals and objectives for the project as set by the project steering committee are summarized as follows”. The project goals and objectives were already set before that visioning workshop. A project of this size should be put to a bond/levy vote.
This survey is so poorly implemented and does not match the one on the Main Library site. I had prepared comments for the "Other Comments" section and then get here to find there is not place to leave other comments. I would have used the one on the main library site but that one has been giving a "500: Internal Server Error" all weekend and into today, the last day of the survey. So where do I give my actual feedback???? I think the initial visioning workshops where a joke. I read the executive summary and on the first page it even states “project goals and objectives for the project as set by the project steering committee are summarized as follows”. The project goals and objectives were already set before that visioning workshop. A project of this size should be put to a bond/levy vote.
Supported a comment by Shauna Swank on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Shauna Swank
I'd like to see the log cabin incorporated. Boise too often sacrifices the past on the alter of the now believing it's buying the future.
I'd like to see the log cabin incorporated. Boise too often sacrifices the past on the alter of the now believing it's buying the future.
Supported a comment by Ule Gould on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Ule Gould
I really like the re-use of exiting buildings like Ustick and Collister. We do not need a fancy new building.
I really like the re-use of exiting buildings like Ustick and Collister. We do not need a fancy new building.
Supported a comment by David Klinger on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
David Klinger
A beautiful, modernist design ... that belongs in Barcelona, Spain, or Abu Dhabi. It’s not a fit with an intermountain city, between foothills and river, whose character and culture are wedded in the Oregon Trail. A contemporary, Prairie School design with Frank Lloyd Wright as its inspiration would have blended better with its environment but still provided inspiration and modernism. A structure that “works” works best when it respects its surroundings, topography, scale, and culture.
A beautiful, modernist design ... that belongs in Barcelona, Spain, or Abu Dhabi. It’s not a fit with an intermountain city, between foothills and river, whose character and culture are wedded in the Oregon Trail. A contemporary, Prairie School design with Frank Lloyd Wright as its inspiration would have blended better with its environment but still provided inspiration and modernism. A structure that “works” works best when it respects its surroundings, topography, scale, and culture.
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Diane Plastino Graves
It is absolutely unacceptable that the cabin be moved to another location. And moving it to that string of orphaned buildings in Julia Davis Park is beyond unacceptable. What this building is, and where it is are the same thing. I agree with every comment in the Idaho Statesman editorial of July 22nd.
It is absolutely unacceptable that the cabin be moved to another location. And moving it to that string of orphaned buildings in Julia Davis Park is beyond unacceptable. What this building is, and where it is are the same thing. I agree with every comment in the Idaho Statesman editorial of July 22nd.
Supported a comment by Kevin Brandt on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Kevin Brandt
I understand and support the need for a new library. However, I don't understand the attached Arts and History center and theater. The art and history museum are literally across the street - what is going to go in this space? If we want more art and history museum space why not put it with the art and history museum. Same with the theater - what would go in here? Would one of the existing theater companies move in - what is wrong with their current facilities? It seems these were added on without real justification.
I understand and support the need for a new library. However, I don't understand the attached Arts and History center and theater. The art and history museum are literally across the street - what is going to go in this space? If we want more art and history museum space why not put it with the art and history museum. Same with the theater - what would go in here? Would one of the existing theater companies move in - what is wrong with their current facilities? It seems these were added on without real justification.
Supported a comment by Jamie Kaiser on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Jamie Kaiser
I would like to see a design that is less modern and that fits in better with the aesthetic of Boise.
I would like to see a design that is less modern and that fits in better with the aesthetic of Boise.
Supported a comment by David Klinger on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
David Klinger
The new design respects neither the Greenbelt not the Boise River. Its massive, overbearing face overwhelms, rather than complements, its southerly riverfront. A south-facing, four-story glass walled-atrium is setting up a huge temperature control problem — in summer, that facade will be broiling (something that most Boiseans understand, but that maybe Massachusetts architects don’t). A plate-glass, walled front opposite a river corridor heavily used by waterfowl and songbirds has the potential to become a “killing machine” for birds, especially considering how the new library’s rooftop gardens will further lure birds and set up the very real possibility of needless bird strikes, subjecting the City of Boise to possible violation of Federal and state wildlife laws when it is possible to re-orient the new structure to diminish or eliminate such a deficiency. Did the architect spend a morning sitting on the front lawn of “The Cabin” studying the heavy movement of geese, ducks, raptors, and songbirds between the river and Julia Davis Park? If so, he would have understood that plate glass facades are going to create problems.
The new design respects neither the Greenbelt not the Boise River. Its massive, overbearing face overwhelms, rather than complements, its southerly riverfront. A south-facing, four-story glass walled-atrium is setting up a huge temperature control problem — in summer, that facade will be broiling (something that most Boiseans understand, but that maybe Massachusetts architects don’t). A plate-glass, walled front opposite a river corridor heavily used by waterfowl and songbirds has the potential to become a “killing machine” for birds, especially considering how the new library’s rooftop gardens will further lure birds and set up the very real possibility of needless bird strikes, subjecting the City of Boise to possible violation of Federal and state wildlife laws when it is possible to re-orient the new structure to diminish or eliminate such a deficiency. Did the architect spend a morning sitting on the front lawn of “The Cabin” studying the heavy movement of geese, ducks, raptors, and songbirds between the river and Julia Davis Park? If so, he would have understood that plate glass facades are going to create problems.
Supported a comment by Sharon Tabor on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Sharon Tabor
Should a library be a gateway to a city? Who is asking these questions? I have never visited a local library in any city I have visited over my lifetime. It doesn't mean I don't like libraries, it means I am more likely to visit a museum like our tiny art museum.
Should a library be a gateway to a city? Who is asking these questions? I have never visited a local library in any city I have visited over my lifetime. It doesn't mean I don't like libraries, it means I am more likely to visit a museum like our tiny art museum.
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Diane Plastino Graves
It lords over the river. The glass and concrete are very stern, and are the antithesis of the lush, welcoming riparian environment. Can you imagine how hot that entrance courtyard will be during our routine 95+ degree days?
It lords over the river. The glass and concrete are very stern, and are the antithesis of the lush, welcoming riparian environment. Can you imagine how hot that entrance courtyard will be during our routine 95+ degree days?
Supported a comment by Scott K. on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Scott K.
I'd like to see a "going back to basics" approach to the library. We should ask ourselves is this a library that we're building, or a building complex that happens to incorporate two separate buildings that may or may not be necessary? It's a completely different situation when say a private developer like Gardner builds a facility that incorporates public elements like a transit center. When a city takes the lead, questions arise as to whether this is the most cost effective way to attain a goal. Do we need another event center given existing and planned venues? Does the Boise Arts and History department need its own building? Don't get me wrong I support culture, the arts, history, as well as, libraries, but I would be hesitant to help support and fund a complex that seems more than the simple task of modernizing a place to do research and find research materials and archives.
I'd like to see a "going back to basics" approach to the library. We should ask ourselves is this a library that we're building, or a building complex that happens to incorporate two separate buildings that may or may not be necessary? It's a completely different situation when say a private developer like Gardner builds a facility that incorporates public elements like a transit center. When a city takes the lead, questions arise as to whether this is the most cost effective way to attain a goal. Do we need another event center given existing and planned venues? Does the Boise Arts and History department need its own building? Don't get me wrong I support culture, the arts, history, as well as, libraries, but I would be hesitant to help support and fund a complex that seems more than the simple task of modernizing a place to do research and find research materials and archives.
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Diane Plastino Graves
Can you imagine how hot that concrete plaza would be in our routine 90+ degree days?
Can you imagine how hot that concrete plaza would be in our routine 90+ degree days?
Supported a comment by Kay Hummel on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Kay Hummel
Please redesign the site plan with more simplicity to meet customers’ true needs. Substantially downsize the northern entrance plaza along River Street and move the building north. A smaller plaza would allow retention of The Cabin, which plays a vital role in the cultural district. The proposed 20,000 sq.ft. outdoor plaza is not useable at least 7 months of the year, whereas other Library functions are needed year-round. There is adequate green space with the 2 rooftop outdoor gardens and other open space indicated on the west side. While the design is initially exciting, I urge reconsideration of truly necessary library functions vs. some community “priorities” listed. For example, a “connection with the River” does not merit top priority when there is abundant access to the Boise River at many nearby locations. Our Library’s two highest functions are library services and space for the Arts and History Dept. Focus on these functions, and proper design will follow. Likewise, I am unclear on the necessity for ‘maker spaces.’ Given the under utilization of Jump’s maker spaces, this is a head scratcher. Adequate parking and auditorium space are the next highest functions that must be designed for, again more vital year-round than a cement-clad plaza (which also will be too hot in two summer months, essentially a baking, reflecting desert). Citizens are not excited about paying for more outdoor gathering spaces when the Downtown core provides ample outdoor sites nearby – Julia Davis, Ann Morrison, the Grove Plaza, and Jump.
Please redesign the site plan with more simplicity to meet customers’ true needs. Substantially downsize the northern entrance plaza along River Street and move the building north. A smaller plaza would allow retention of The Cabin, which plays a vital role in the cultural district. The proposed 20,000 sq.ft. outdoor plaza is not useable at least 7 months of the year, whereas other Library functions are needed year-round. There is adequate green space with the 2 rooftop outdoor gardens and other open space indicated on the west side. While the design is initially exciting, I urge reconsideration of truly necessary library functions vs. some community “priorities” listed. For example, a “connection with the River” does not merit top priority when there is abundant access to the Boise River at many nearby locations. Our Library’s two highest functions are library services and space for the Arts and History Dept. Focus on these functions, and proper design will follow. Likewise, I am unclear on the necessity for ‘maker spaces.’ Given the under utilization of Jump’s maker spaces, this is a head scratcher. Adequate parking and auditorium space are the next highest functions that must be designed for, again more vital year-round than a cement-clad plaza (which also will be too hot in two summer months, essentially a baking, reflecting desert). Citizens are not excited about paying for more outdoor gathering spaces when the Downtown core provides ample outdoor sites nearby – Julia Davis, Ann Morrison, the Grove Plaza, and Jump.
Supported a comment by Jamie Kaiser on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Jamie Kaiser
The only thing from a library that I want is a good collection of books. We literally do not have a good, comprehensive biography of former president Martin Van Buren. I would much rather Boise spend its money on that then another event center pretending to be a library.
The only thing from a library that I want is a good collection of books. We literally do not have a good, comprehensive biography of former president Martin Van Buren. I would much rather Boise spend its money on that then another event center pretending to be a library.
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Diane Plastino Graves
One of the unconfirmed reports I have heard is that the City is eyeing the block of interesting old buildings on South 8th, where the Foothills School is now, for a parking garage. So tearing down more interesting, historic buildings that give us a sense of place in trade for perhaps another cinderblock parking garage like the one the City egregiously allowed Gardner to build on Front and 12th? (That is a whole other topic...) That doubles the trauma, when considering the unacceptable loss of the Cabin.
One of the unconfirmed reports I have heard is that the City is eyeing the block of interesting old buildings on South 8th, where the Foothills School is now, for a parking garage. So tearing down more interesting, historic buildings that give us a sense of place in trade for perhaps another cinderblock parking garage like the one the City egregiously allowed Gardner to build on Front and 12th? (That is a whole other topic...) That doubles the trauma, when considering the unacceptable loss of the Cabin.
Supported a comment by Ule Gould on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Ule Gould
Less iconic, more modest
Less iconic, more modest
Supported a comment by Scott K. on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Scott K.
First of all, we are not Salt Lake City, nor should we try to be. There is a lot of wasted space and a lot of concrete in the proposed designs. I'm not sure I would travel by foot, car or bike to a building that doesn't fit in well with its surrounding environment and seems to wall itself off from what makes Boise so nice - 8th street, the river, and views of the Statehouse, Depot, and Foothills.
First of all, we are not Salt Lake City, nor should we try to be. There is a lot of wasted space and a lot of concrete in the proposed designs. I'm not sure I would travel by foot, car or bike to a building that doesn't fit in well with its surrounding environment and seems to wall itself off from what makes Boise so nice - 8th street, the river, and views of the Statehouse, Depot, and Foothills.
Supported a comment by Lynette Daudt on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Lynette Daudt
I do go now, often, precisely because I can pull into the parking lot, run in, and leave all without crossing a street.
I do go now, often, precisely because I can pull into the parking lot, run in, and leave all without crossing a street.
Supported a comment by Lynette Daudt on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Lynette Daudt
A parking garage is unpleasant to use. Adequate local site parking as is now available needs to be continued. I WOULD NOT go much if I had to use a parking garage even a block walk away.
A parking garage is unpleasant to use. Adequate local site parking as is now available needs to be continued. I WOULD NOT go much if I had to use a parking garage even a block walk away.
Supported a comment by Lora Volkert on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Lora Volkert
These parking options sound workable for people like me, but are the 40-50 on-site spaces going to be close enough for patrons who need wheelchair access or otherwise have limited mobility?
These parking options sound workable for people like me, but are the 40-50 on-site spaces going to be close enough for patrons who need wheelchair access or otherwise have limited mobility?
Supported a comment by Kevin Brandt on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Kevin Brandt
There is no information about parking, none is shown in the drawings and the in the paper it has been stated that underground parking is cost prohibitive. There is extremely limited off-site parking in this area. I'm concerned that vanity and design has taken first place over function.
There is no information about parking, none is shown in the drawings and the in the paper it has been stated that underground parking is cost prohibitive. There is extremely limited off-site parking in this area. I'm concerned that vanity and design has taken first place over function.
Supported a comment by Amy W on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Amy W
After a major operation I loved the curbside pickup option, it saved me from boredom at home, and navigating the entrance and parking lot. Recently, I was visiting the downtown Seattle branch and it was loud and crazy in the “lounge areas”
After a major operation I loved the curbside pickup option, it saved me from boredom at home, and navigating the entrance and parking lot. Recently, I was visiting the downtown Seattle branch and it was loud and crazy in the “lounge areas”
Supported a comment by Maria Kauffman on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Maria Kauffman
This structure is beautiful but It seems firm has won out over function.I’ve taken my 5.5yo to the library every week since she was an infant. I also recently had knee surgery and have a new awareness of how hard simple errands have become. Reducing onsite parking by 75% and moving parking further away from the library reduces the convenience of the library dramatically and I feel would deter many people from using the main library. I also don’t understand the emphasis on the arts and culture areas. Adding a theater will compound the parking issue. I agree that art should be incorporated into the library, but is a gallery the best use of space when BAM is across the street? Is a theater necessary when JUMP is right around the corner? One of the best features of the main library is the drive through book drop. Will this feature be retained? If you eliminate it are you considering city wide drop of points? I am perplexed the designer simply ignored The Cabin and didn’t incorporate it into the design. Is it necessary to have a large lounging area around the library and on the roof? It feels like overkill and an egregious waste of potential parking and makes it harder for people with disabilities to reach the door. I love that Boise is becoming more cosmopolitan and an upgraded library is overdue. But this library feels unnecessarily extravagant and loses the main function in all the excess.
This structure is beautiful but It seems firm has won out over function.I’ve taken my 5.5yo to the library every week since she was an infant. I also recently had knee surgery and have a new awareness of how hard simple errands have become. Reducing onsite parking by 75% and moving parking further away from the library reduces the convenience of the library dramatically and I feel would deter many people from using the main library. I also don’t understand the emphasis on the arts and culture areas. Adding a theater will compound the parking issue. I agree that art should be incorporated into the library, but is a gallery the best use of space when BAM is across the street? Is a theater necessary when JUMP is right around the corner? One of the best features of the main library is the drive through book drop. Will this feature be retained? If you eliminate it are you considering city wide drop of points? I am perplexed the designer simply ignored The Cabin and didn’t incorporate it into the design. Is it necessary to have a large lounging area around the library and on the roof? It feels like overkill and an egregious waste of potential parking and makes it harder for people with disabilities to reach the door. I love that Boise is becoming more cosmopolitan and an upgraded library is overdue. But this library feels unnecessarily extravagant and loses the main function in all the excess.
Supported a comment by Brooke O. on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Brooke O.
too flashy and does not compliment the environment or other buildings nearby.
too flashy and does not compliment the environment or other buildings nearby.
Supported a comment by George Targee on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
George Targee
I would like to see more thought given to making the library a more practical, functional place / service. I would like less thought and money given to it's beautiful design.
I would like to see more thought given to making the library a more practical, functional place / service. I would like less thought and money given to it's beautiful design.
Supported a comment by Brooke O. on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Brooke O.
absolutely not. it looks like JUMP or the EMP in Seattle. it is not complimentary
absolutely not. it looks like JUMP or the EMP in Seattle. it is not complimentary
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
M. Thomas
I would like to see a detailed breakdown of the $85 million proposed budget including how much has already been spent on the project; costs of renovation versus demolition; full disclosure of the architectural services selection process including financials; and transparent and complete breakdown of funding (including clarification of the $46.8 million from Tax Support and $22.2 million from Partnerships/Donations listed on p. 187 of the FY2019 City Budget). In the concept presentation to City Council in December 2017, a line item of $4.1 million for renovation of the existing warehouse was included as part of an overall proposed budget of $63.7 million that included $10.5 million for a parking garage and $10.7 million for event space & equipment. Nothing was mentioned about The Cabin at that point. How did that jump to complete demolition and an $80-85 million budget plus a separately funded parking garage?
I would like to see a detailed breakdown of the $85 million proposed budget including how much has already been spent on the project; costs of renovation versus demolition; full disclosure of the architectural services selection process including financials; and transparent and complete breakdown of funding (including clarification of the $46.8 million from Tax Support and $22.2 million from Partnerships/Donations listed on p. 187 of the FY2019 City Budget). In the concept presentation to City Council in December 2017, a line item of $4.1 million for renovation of the existing warehouse was included as part of an overall proposed budget of $63.7 million that included $10.5 million for a parking garage and $10.7 million for event space & equipment. Nothing was mentioned about The Cabin at that point. How did that jump to complete demolition and an $80-85 million budget plus a separately funded parking garage?
Supported a comment by Chryssa Rich on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Chryssa Rich
No, I think the wall of windows will kill too many birds.
No, I think the wall of windows will kill too many birds.
Supported a comment by Carole Whiteleather on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Carole Whiteleather
Forgot to explain my reasons regarding The Cabin. As the former Director of Education for The Cabin, I must stress the importance of the location for one of the most dynamic programs, Summer Writing Camps. Students need the access to nature, the museums, zoo and downtown for the various writing assignments and camps in which they participate. When we re-designed the camps from a small three week window to a full summer of offerings, many more students have enjoyed this opportunity. Moving The Cabin could be detrimental to this wonderful experience for kids. Thank you for your consideration of my comments.
Forgot to explain my reasons regarding The Cabin. As the former Director of Education for The Cabin, I must stress the importance of the location for one of the most dynamic programs, Summer Writing Camps. Students need the access to nature, the museums, zoo and downtown for the various writing assignments and camps in which they participate. When we re-designed the camps from a small three week window to a full summer of offerings, many more students have enjoyed this opportunity. Moving The Cabin could be detrimental to this wonderful experience for kids. Thank you for your consideration of my comments.
Supported a comment by Jeff Fereday on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Jeff Fereday
It would be unfortunate to remove The Cabin from its current site. This 1930s-era building is part of the visitor's welcome to the City on Capitol Blvd, and is an icon for the locals. Its log construction echoes the Capitol Building itself, with its log motif at its base. It announces Boise's concern for history, and for our frontier roots. Joint Library-Cabin programming obviously would be aided by leaving it in place. It does not significantly impair the view of the river and instead anchors a point in Idaho's past and in Boise's commitment to literacy. Again, a highly compatible purpose. Please leave The Cabin in place. The City has undermined meaningful public input by failing to include The Cabin in any rendering or as an option in the model. The new building should celebrate, not simply discard, this venerable building. Both parking and Cabin preservation could be enhanced by shrinking the proposed library plaza on the north and perhaps rotating the building clockwise (or slightly re-designing it) so as to create more parking space to the south of the BioMark building and more setback for The Cabin. I recognize that an off-site parking garage probably will be necessary, but I urge the City to plan for public transit in and out of this area and consider that option in this design. The new library should invite, not stand as a barrier to, mass transit in the Boise area.
It would be unfortunate to remove The Cabin from its current site. This 1930s-era building is part of the visitor's welcome to the City on Capitol Blvd, and is an icon for the locals. Its log construction echoes the Capitol Building itself, with its log motif at its base. It announces Boise's concern for history, and for our frontier roots. Joint Library-Cabin programming obviously would be aided by leaving it in place. It does not significantly impair the view of the river and instead anchors a point in Idaho's past and in Boise's commitment to literacy. Again, a highly compatible purpose. Please leave The Cabin in place. The City has undermined meaningful public input by failing to include The Cabin in any rendering or as an option in the model. The new building should celebrate, not simply discard, this venerable building. Both parking and Cabin preservation could be enhanced by shrinking the proposed library plaza on the north and perhaps rotating the building clockwise (or slightly re-designing it) so as to create more parking space to the south of the BioMark building and more setback for The Cabin. I recognize that an off-site parking garage probably will be necessary, but I urge the City to plan for public transit in and out of this area and consider that option in this design. The new library should invite, not stand as a barrier to, mass transit in the Boise area.
Supported a comment by Lynette Daudt on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Lynette Daudt
Mitigate = make less severe, serious, or painful. How about a non-all glass design. This is not appropriate design in a century moving toward sustainability. Insulate with thick solid walls. Use solar panels on the roof. Have large windows but not walls of glass.
Mitigate = make less severe, serious, or painful. How about a non-all glass design. This is not appropriate design in a century moving toward sustainability. Insulate with thick solid walls. Use solar panels on the roof. Have large windows but not walls of glass.
Supported a comment by Theresa M on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Theresa M
It is too big. Do NOT move The Cabin. That is an important and living part of the City’s history and fabric.
It is too big. Do NOT move The Cabin. That is an important and living part of the City’s history and fabric.
Supported a comment by Kathy Kustra on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Kathy Kustra
I'm greatly disappointed you didn't figure out a way to incorporate The Cabin in its original location into this design or campus. This new building should not forget our history.
I'm greatly disappointed you didn't figure out a way to incorporate The Cabin in its original location into this design or campus. This new building should not forget our history.
Supported a comment by Cathy Silak on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Cathy Silak
Parking will be a problem and will adversely impact nearby uses such as the Boise Art Museum and the newly rebuilt Idaho Museum as users vie for spaces. Additional plans for offsite parking will need to progress at the same pace as building the new library.
Parking will be a problem and will adversely impact nearby uses such as the Boise Art Museum and the newly rebuilt Idaho Museum as users vie for spaces. Additional plans for offsite parking will need to progress at the same pace as building the new library.
Oh, I so agree! I really hope The Cabin stays put, but I don't think City Hall considered either the structure or the literary center's future when they contracted with the architectural team.