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Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
1 year, 4 months ago
Supported a comment by Christine King on
Main Library Campus
1 year, 4 months ago
Christine King
Oh my gosh, Diane, that is important information, thank you. I have family in Missoula, MT., one is a librarian. They are also building a new library, there has been some controversy, but the city has included the community in every aspect, including passing a bond vote. A very significant detail is the costs have been locked in for quite a while, I have no doubt Boise is not going to be able to keep cost within the margin they promised.
Oh my gosh, Diane, that is important information, thank you. I have family in Missoula, MT., one is a librarian. They are also building a new library, there has been some controversy, but the city has included the community in every aspect, including passing a bond vote. A very significant detail is the costs have been locked in for quite a while, I have no doubt Boise is not going to be able to keep cost within the margin they promised.
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
1 year, 4 months ago
Diane Plastino Graves
And it is important to note that the Salt Lake City and Seattle libraries, often touted as similar to Boise's plan, both received a bond levy vote from the citizens, which has been denied to date by our City Hall. By my count, this and the stadium will be the largest taxpayer-funded projects in the City of Boise' history. If we vote for fire stations, foothills preservation, and school bonds, we deserve the right to vote on these extremely large projects.
And it is important to note that the Salt Lake City and Seattle libraries, often touted as similar to Boise's plan, both received a bond levy vote from the citizens, which has been denied to date by our City Hall. By my count, this and the stadium will be the largest taxpayer-funded projects in the City of Boise' history. If we vote for fire stations, foothills preservation, and school bonds, we deserve the right to vote on these extremely large projects.
Supported a comment by Christine King on
Main Library Campus
1 year, 4 months ago
Christine King
Exactly, April. Many have noted concerns they have with the design and cost of this library, yet our civic input is being considered annoying complaints. I have yet to see the city address these issues, only "we are working on it". Right, the city didn't have it together to announce that The Cabin would be moved until the day before the plan was revealed, they were 50% low on relocation expenses and changed the new location how many times. I have no faith in our city planners, none. It's all about a world-famous architect, look at Salt Lake, we need a library to reflect our fabulous Boise. I think our current library is "nice", the goal seemingly is not an attractive, functional structure, the purpose of a library, but glitz and ego. Form follows function in Boise resulted in JUMP.
Exactly, April. Many have noted concerns they have with the design and cost of this library, yet our civic input is being considered annoying complaints. I have yet to see the city address these issues, only "we are working on it". Right, the city didn't have it together to announce that The Cabin would be moved until the day before the plan was revealed, they were 50% low on relocation expenses and changed the new location how many times. I have no faith in our city planners, none. It's all about a world-famous architect, look at Salt Lake, we need a library to reflect our fabulous Boise. I think our current library is "nice", the goal seemingly is not an attractive, functional structure, the purpose of a library, but glitz and ego. Form follows function in Boise resulted in JUMP.
Supported a comment by April LOrange on
Main Library Campus
1 year, 4 months ago
April LOrange
We aren't complaining about *a* new library. We're complaining about *this particular design*. What is functional in Salt Lake City won't be here, due to differences in climate and orientation. What's beautiful in Salt Lake City, where they've built quite a bit from pale stone, sticks out like a store thumb in an area made of red brick. Accept that we aren't anti-LIBRARY. Meet us halfway, and let's talk about how to meet the needs of our community at large, not the able-bodied folks who drive to Salt Lake City in particular.
We aren't complaining about *a* new library. We're complaining about *this particular design*. What is functional in Salt Lake City won't be here, due to differences in climate and orientation. What's beautiful in Salt Lake City, where they've built quite a bit from pale stone, sticks out like a store thumb in an area made of red brick. Accept that we aren't anti-LIBRARY. Meet us halfway, and let's talk about how to meet the needs of our community at large, not the able-bodied folks who drive to Salt Lake City in particular.
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
1 year, 4 months ago
Tammy Bixby
There are few words left in my vocabulary to express my disgust and disdain for our local government. I have been considering the new bill that a newbie Republican Senate wants to make it more difficult for us to petition and bring things to Capitol Hill. It occurs to me that perhaps this is just where our problem lies perhaps it's the Capital that is causing this Strife amongst as Citizens here in Boise. It is not inconceivable that their vote their behind-closed-door dealings have influenced our city politicians to move forward with this horrendous idea of a library that is disgusting
There are few words left in my vocabulary to express my disgust and disdain for our local government. I have been considering the new bill that a newbie Republican Senate wants to make it more difficult for us to petition and bring things to Capitol Hill. It occurs to me that perhaps this is just where our problem lies perhaps it's the Capital that is causing this Strife amongst as Citizens here in Boise. It is not inconceivable that their vote their behind-closed-door dealings have influenced our city politicians to move forward with this horrendous idea of a library that is disgusting
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
1 year, 5 months ago
Tammy Bixby
Well said April
Well said April
Supported a comment by April LOrange on
Main Library Campus
1 year, 5 months ago
April LOrange
Dear City of Boise: I appreciate your response. It doesn't address my concerns. Can you see seniors with walkers coming from a block it two away? It may be the closest parking, but by the time you've come all the way around from Biomark to the proposed main entrance, it's a serious hike for someone with, say, rheumatoid arthritis. This facility is supposed to serve our community as a whole, not just the able-bodied.
Dear City of Boise: I appreciate your response. It doesn't address my concerns. Can you see seniors with walkers coming from a block it two away? It may be the closest parking, but by the time you've come all the way around from Biomark to the proposed main entrance, it's a serious hike for someone with, say, rheumatoid arthritis. This facility is supposed to serve our community as a whole, not just the able-bodied.
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
1 year, 5 months ago
M. Thomas
So important to distinguish budget vs true cost. And extremely alarming at this point in the process to still not see any semblance of projected increases to personnel, maintenance, operations - additional direct burdens on already overtaxed residents. We can not afford this proposal!
So important to distinguish budget vs true cost. And extremely alarming at this point in the process to still not see any semblance of projected increases to personnel, maintenance, operations - additional direct burdens on already overtaxed residents. We can not afford this proposal!
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
1 year, 5 months ago
Tammy Bixby
I agree with you M. Thomas
I agree with you M. Thomas
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
1 year, 5 months ago
M. Thomas
No. Our $543,000 bought us one conceptual design from Safdie, who has now been hired with a $11.1 million+ contract to proceed with that one design. The plus is for the future events center, which is now on hold because for $85 million we can't afford it. Parking will be purchased with city money from a private developer when they demolish the Foothills school. There will be no true on-site parking; even the disabled parking will be in the area adjacent to Biomark, essentially across 8th Street from the proposed new building. This concept needs to go back to the drawing board after a public financing vote. Renovate don't demolish, keep The Cabin in its location, incorporate true onsite parking. These objectives are achievable, and if not by this architectvthen hire a different one with a lower price tag who can keep within the original $45 million proposed project budget.
No. Our $543,000 bought us one conceptual design from Safdie, who has now been hired with a $11.1 million+ contract to proceed with that one design. The plus is for the future events center, which is now on hold because for $85 million we can't afford it. Parking will be purchased with city money from a private developer when they demolish the Foothills school. There will be no true on-site parking; even the disabled parking will be in the area adjacent to Biomark, essentially across 8th Street from the proposed new building. This concept needs to go back to the drawing board after a public financing vote. Renovate don't demolish, keep The Cabin in its location, incorporate true onsite parking. These objectives are achievable, and if not by this architectvthen hire a different one with a lower price tag who can keep within the original $45 million proposed project budget.
Commented on Main Library Campus
1 year, 5 months ago
Lynn, there are enough 1st class places. I moved to Boise to get out of one that was becoming impossible to live in due to entity, traffic, prices, etc. Do you really want Boise to become that? Perhaps sine you are in Realestate (if that's true, taking it from the comment above) perhaps you are driving the cool-aid of your industry that keeps pushing up and up and up. But not everyone in Boise wants it to become NYC, Paris, of SF. Small is beautiful.
Supported a comment by Christine King on
Main Library Campus
1 year, 5 months ago
Christine King
Lynn, I believe you are a realtor with a downtown office; if so, you should identify yourself as one who may financially benefit from this project. And, please do not dismiss my concerns with the condescending, "change is hard for some", there are a number of issues that have been brought up with little response from the city. "Amenities"--it is a library--who are you to tell me I will "feel better" once I see all of those wonderful amenities? Indeed. shouldn't those amenities already have been revealed by the city? Perhaps they are bullet points you would include in a real estate brochure, or others would to attract conventions. I go to the library in order to check out books and do a little research, not to gaze over the river from a rooftop cafe.
Lynn, I believe you are a realtor with a downtown office; if so, you should identify yourself as one who may financially benefit from this project. And, please do not dismiss my concerns with the condescending, "change is hard for some", there are a number of issues that have been brought up with little response from the city. "Amenities"--it is a library--who are you to tell me I will "feel better" once I see all of those wonderful amenities? Indeed. shouldn't those amenities already have been revealed by the city? Perhaps they are bullet points you would include in a real estate brochure, or others would to attract conventions. I go to the library in order to check out books and do a little research, not to gaze over the river from a rooftop cafe.
Supported a comment by Christine King on
Main Library Campus
1 year, 5 months ago
Christine King
Lynn, you are at an advantage that you live close by, how many current visitors do not? How many will opt to visit a branch library rather than deal with an adjacent parking garage? You use "1st class Library", "world class library", one that will be terrific for those who live in the area, a showpiece for a "1st class 21st Century City". There lies the problem, you are describing a downtown core that is becoming more of a boutique, unfriendly to those of us who drive there. When you use such language, it serves to tell those of us who would prefer a more modest library that suits a wooded river area that we are anachronists. However, we are all paying for this legacy showpiece, one that many in outlying areas will certainly avoid.
Lynn, you are at an advantage that you live close by, how many current visitors do not? How many will opt to visit a branch library rather than deal with an adjacent parking garage? You use "1st class Library", "world class library", one that will be terrific for those who live in the area, a showpiece for a "1st class 21st Century City". There lies the problem, you are describing a downtown core that is becoming more of a boutique, unfriendly to those of us who drive there. When you use such language, it serves to tell those of us who would prefer a more modest library that suits a wooded river area that we are anachronists. However, we are all paying for this legacy showpiece, one that many in outlying areas will certainly avoid.
Supported a comment by Thomas J Beatty on
Main Library Campus
1 year, 5 months ago
Thomas J Beatty
Unfortunately, moving the Cabin will have little to no impact on parking. I also love the design, but I wish it had come about as the result of a process that incorporated what our new library actually needed. Instead, I believe the architect was shopping his designs around the country and found a willing buyer in the form of the City of Boise. So Boise then has to adapt to the design: The Cabin doesn't quite work with the preconceived design; No problem: We'll just move it. There's no allowance for onsite parking; No problem: We'll sign an agreement with another developer to tear down a school and erect a parking garage/residential building. But the parking is offsite separated by a fairly busy street, will not entirely be free and it's not even on the first floor; well, you can't have everything. I just wish that instead of trying to fit Boise to the design, that we would design a library for Boise. And the way the project has been structured, we don't even get a chance to vote on it.
Unfortunately, moving the Cabin will have little to no impact on parking. I also love the design, but I wish it had come about as the result of a process that incorporated what our new library actually needed. Instead, I believe the architect was shopping his designs around the country and found a willing buyer in the form of the City of Boise. So Boise then has to adapt to the design: The Cabin doesn't quite work with the preconceived design; No problem: We'll just move it. There's no allowance for onsite parking; No problem: We'll sign an agreement with another developer to tear down a school and erect a parking garage/residential building. But the parking is offsite separated by a fairly busy street, will not entirely be free and it's not even on the first floor; well, you can't have everything. I just wish that instead of trying to fit Boise to the design, that we would design a library for Boise. And the way the project has been structured, we don't even get a chance to vote on it.
Supported a comment by Jerry Brady on
Main Library Campus
1 year, 5 months ago
Jerry Brady
Go Kathy and Diane Plastino Graves, above! The problem here is The Cabin is plain and unassuming while the great architect's library is expected to be not just a place for readers and learners but a shining icon of a growing city. I've not seen the library's design, although I'm excited about what's ahead. But preserving The Cabin in it's place, unpretentious and ordinary as it is, would be precisely the point: we haven't outgrown ourselves and gotten too big for our heritage.
Go Kathy and Diane Plastino Graves, above! The problem here is The Cabin is plain and unassuming while the great architect's library is expected to be not just a place for readers and learners but a shining icon of a growing city. I've not seen the library's design, although I'm excited about what's ahead. But preserving The Cabin in it's place, unpretentious and ordinary as it is, would be precisely the point: we haven't outgrown ourselves and gotten too big for our heritage.
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
1 year, 5 months ago
Tammy Bixby
for so many years we have watched the destruction and removal of so many of our storical landmarks and wonder where they are today. There was an article I read that stated hollowell the director of Parks and recreation sister collecting mothballs in basements. Are they going to bury our cabin too?
for so many years we have watched the destruction and removal of so many of our storical landmarks and wonder where they are today. There was an article I read that stated hollowell the director of Parks and recreation sister collecting mothballs in basements. Are they going to bury our cabin too?
Supported a comment by David Klinger on
Main Library Campus
1 year, 5 months ago
David Klinger
I think we have sufficient “shining icons” in Boise in the form of a river, some foothills, and a wonderful populace, thank you. A Massachusetts architect’s “vision” for our city cannot embelish on the intrinsic values of our community. You have to live here to understand here.
I think we have sufficient “shining icons” in Boise in the form of a river, some foothills, and a wonderful populace, thank you. A Massachusetts architect’s “vision” for our city cannot embelish on the intrinsic values of our community. You have to live here to understand here.
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
1 year, 6 months ago
Diane Plastino Graves
I was at that meeting November 27, 2018. There was no “review” or “careful consideration” of those 322 comments. City staff just mentioned it, —and mentioned that 60% of the commenters wanted the cabin to stay in its current location. The Council spent more time discussing the depth of the sewer line near one of the proposed locations in Julia Davis Park than they ever did discussing those comments. In fact, there was absolutely no discussion of the comments. I’m very tired of the city selectively advising the public of information that supports the Mayor and Council’s decisions which don’t reflect a large majority of the opinions submitted to the city by the public. It is a misrepresentation of the facts.
I was at that meeting November 27, 2018. There was no “review” or “careful consideration” of those 322 comments. City staff just mentioned it, —and mentioned that 60% of the commenters wanted the cabin to stay in its current location. The Council spent more time discussing the depth of the sewer line near one of the proposed locations in Julia Davis Park than they ever did discussing those comments. In fact, there was absolutely no discussion of the comments. I’m very tired of the city selectively advising the public of information that supports the Mayor and Council’s decisions which don’t reflect a large majority of the opinions submitted to the city by the public. It is a misrepresentation of the facts.
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
1 year, 7 months ago
Diane Plastino Graves
The election for Mayor, and for McLean, Clegg, and Ludwig is 11/5/19. Recuit and support candidates with another viewpoint. That is the only resolution to all these issues.
The election for Mayor, and for McLean, Clegg, and Ludwig is 11/5/19. Recuit and support candidates with another viewpoint. That is the only resolution to all these issues.
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
1 year, 7 months ago
M. Thomas
$11,185,236 Let that number sink in. $11,185,236 that was buried in a consent item of a nearly 2000 page agenda packet. $11,185,236 is the amount that Boise City Council just approved for Safdie to continue with architectural services on the proposed $103 million library campus. We are reeling in an affordable housing crisis. We are not flush with cash. We do not have the funding for this project just sitting around. Consider this in another perspective. The City is currently contemplating setting up a Land Trust with $20 million - $10 million from City resources, $10 million from philanthropy. While they think about moves like this to address affordable housing, they move full steam ahead on an amenity project by approving an $11.1 million expenditure for architectural plans. Oh, plus a minimum $650,000 to move a historically registered building (The Cabin) to a new site to make way for river views. Shame on you, City of Boise. Shame on you, Mayor Dave Bieter. Shame, shame on you, Council members Lisa E. Sánchez, Lauren McLean, TJ Thomson, Elaine M Clegg, Holli Woodings, Scott Ludwig.
$11,185,236 Let that number sink in. $11,185,236 that was buried in a consent item of a nearly 2000 page agenda packet. $11,185,236 is the amount that Boise City Council just approved for Safdie to continue with architectural services on the proposed $103 million library campus. We are reeling in an affordable housing crisis. We are not flush with cash. We do not have the funding for this project just sitting around. Consider this in another perspective. The City is currently contemplating setting up a Land Trust with $20 million - $10 million from City resources, $10 million from philanthropy. While they think about moves like this to address affordable housing, they move full steam ahead on an amenity project by approving an $11.1 million expenditure for architectural plans. Oh, plus a minimum $650,000 to move a historically registered building (The Cabin) to a new site to make way for river views. Shame on you, City of Boise. Shame on you, Mayor Dave Bieter. Shame, shame on you, Council members Lisa E. Sánchez, Lauren McLean, TJ Thomson, Elaine M Clegg, Holli Woodings, Scott Ludwig.
Supported a comment by Christine King on
Main Library Campus
1 year, 7 months ago
Christine King
Can you tell us if CSHQA is being paid from that 11.1 million? Thank you.
Can you tell us if CSHQA is being paid from that 11.1 million? Thank you.
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
1 year, 7 months ago
Tammy Bixby
The bottom line is the price is ridiculous over-the-top just amazingly out of touch with what and who Boise is .
The bottom line is the price is ridiculous over-the-top just amazingly out of touch with what and who Boise is .
Supported a comment by David Klinger on
Main Library Campus
1 year, 8 months ago
David Klinger
Left unspoken in the City of Boise’s reply to this question is the fact that “working with an adjacent property on plans for a parking garage” translates into tearing down another historic structure across the street that currently houses an elementary school (the Foothills School) to build yet another parking garage in our downtown core that’s sterile and goes dead at night. The “City of Trees” must not become “The City of Parking Garages”.
Left unspoken in the City of Boise’s reply to this question is the fact that “working with an adjacent property on plans for a parking garage” translates into tearing down another historic structure across the street that currently houses an elementary school (the Foothills School) to build yet another parking garage in our downtown core that’s sterile and goes dead at night. The “City of Trees” must not become “The City of Parking Garages”.
Supported a comment by Thomas J Beatty on
Main Library Campus
1 year, 8 months ago
Thomas J Beatty
I think an on-site parking option was prematurely dismissed, and would strongly suggest that the City go back to the designer with this requirement. You might also want to suggest that the re-done design be more in keeping with the surrounding buildings and museums. While the current proposal is nice to look at, that feeling will wear off fast. Surely building onto the current structure would be more practical - and even less costly.
I think an on-site parking option was prematurely dismissed, and would strongly suggest that the City go back to the designer with this requirement. You might also want to suggest that the re-done design be more in keeping with the surrounding buildings and museums. While the current proposal is nice to look at, that feeling will wear off fast. Surely building onto the current structure would be more practical - and even less costly.
Supported a comment by Gwynne McElhinney on
Main Library Campus
1 year, 8 months ago
Gwynne McElhinney
I agree with the other comments re: access & safety that have been made. Even with an elevated walkway, I'm concerned that a parking garage across River Street will create gridlock between Capitol Blvd. & 9th Street. You'll have to put in a traffic light on 8th which will mean very few cars can turn west on River in any one cycle without backing up traffic on Capitol. This will be especially true when special events are held at BSU (concerts/games) or in Julia Davis Park (e.g., Art in the Park). Cars entering & exiting the garage (whether on 8th or River) will further congest an already busy intersection. The new library, as proposed, creates so many challenges to our community. I hope it's not too late to re-evaluate what the architect has offered. Can't we go back to the drawing board and design a building that better meets the need of Boiseans now and in the future?
I agree with the other comments re: access & safety that have been made. Even with an elevated walkway, I'm concerned that a parking garage across River Street will create gridlock between Capitol Blvd. & 9th Street. You'll have to put in a traffic light on 8th which will mean very few cars can turn west on River in any one cycle without backing up traffic on Capitol. This will be especially true when special events are held at BSU (concerts/games) or in Julia Davis Park (e.g., Art in the Park). Cars entering & exiting the garage (whether on 8th or River) will further congest an already busy intersection. The new library, as proposed, creates so many challenges to our community. I hope it's not too late to re-evaluate what the architect has offered. Can't we go back to the drawing board and design a building that better meets the need of Boiseans now and in the future?
Supported a comment by Maria Eschen on
Main Library Campus
1 year, 8 months ago
Maria Eschen
Agree! K. Kustra is correct! The Cabin needs to be incorporated, not moved. Simple reason for me: I served on the board soon after the millennium and worked to raise funding (quilt sales, etc.) for remodeling and expanding the historic building for ADA compliance. This included adding a 3-level elevator (about $80.000) so folks like my younger sister and Marilyn Shuler and many others could enjoy this remarkable public building so close to the Library.
Thanks for listening,
Maria Eschen
Agree! K. Kustra is correct! The Cabin needs to be incorporated, not moved. Simple reason for me: I served on the board soon after the millennium and worked to raise funding (quilt sales, etc.) for remodeling and expanding the historic building for ADA compliance. This included adding a 3-level elevator (about $80.000) so folks like my younger sister and Marilyn Shuler and many others could enjoy this remarkable public building so close to the Library.
Thanks for listening,
Maria Eschen
Supported a comment by Mary Wallace Dragone on
Main Library Campus
1 year, 8 months ago
Mary Wallace Dragone
It is just too big....it seems cost prohibitive to maintain....how much will maintenance cost on a building that size? I read the original study from 2014 and the original cost was 45 million....now it is 85mil....how high will it go? We have performance space in Boise ...there are already public meeting rooms in the library and I am probably not going to be thrilled to use the automated retrieval system, aesthetically unpleasing to me, but I am a book person.....
It is just too big....it seems cost prohibitive to maintain....how much will maintenance cost on a building that size? I read the original study from 2014 and the original cost was 45 million....now it is 85mil....how high will it go? We have performance space in Boise ...there are already public meeting rooms in the library and I am probably not going to be thrilled to use the automated retrieval system, aesthetically unpleasing to me, but I am a book person.....
Supported a comment by Mary Wallace Dragone on
Main Library Campus
1 year, 8 months ago
Mary Wallace Dragone
Another cost issue is that the cabin was just brought up to ADA standards to the tune of many thousands of tax dollars.....why destroy or move it? I am for historic preservation....I can't believe we are not just updating or adding on to the current library.....
Another cost issue is that the cabin was just brought up to ADA standards to the tune of many thousands of tax dollars.....why destroy or move it? I am for historic preservation....I can't believe we are not just updating or adding on to the current library.....
Supported a comment by David Klinger on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
David Klinger
Certainly not the parking. I suppose I might sit on the front lawn every so often and mourn, and wonder why history — in the form of The Cabin — was booted off the property to achieve ... a lawn. And then I would wonder why a historic cabin was exiled from its historic place because it didn’t interfere with either the footprint of the new library or with the limited parking that resulted. Finally, I would ponder why Boise history was scraped off this parcel, just so the City of Boise’s arts and history program could be re-located from City Hall to the new library. I’d consider the irony of that outcome, just like in Vietnam how we onced needed to “destroy the village in order to save it”. Yes, the new library would give me a place to reflect on such inequities.
Certainly not the parking. I suppose I might sit on the front lawn every so often and mourn, and wonder why history — in the form of The Cabin — was booted off the property to achieve ... a lawn. And then I would wonder why a historic cabin was exiled from its historic place because it didn’t interfere with either the footprint of the new library or with the limited parking that resulted. Finally, I would ponder why Boise history was scraped off this parcel, just so the City of Boise’s arts and history program could be re-located from City Hall to the new library. I’d consider the irony of that outcome, just like in Vietnam how we onced needed to “destroy the village in order to save it”. Yes, the new library would give me a place to reflect on such inequities.
Supported a comment by Sharon Sproul on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Sharon Sproul
Nothing! We don't need it. Stop the spending Mayor Beiter. You are always raising our taxes for things we don't want or need. You are taxing us out of our homes.
Nothing! We don't need it. Stop the spending Mayor Beiter. You are always raising our taxes for things we don't want or need. You are taxing us out of our homes.
Supported a comment by Neil Luther on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Neil Luther
The design is fine. However I noticed the event space is listed as not being funded. First I would prefer usable space be prioritized over expensive design options. I also am very unhappy with the city for not even proposing a design where The Cabin remains where it sits. Not only can a move impact listing on the NRHP the Cabin is "The Cabin is the hub for the literary arts in the state of Idaho." How does it not make sense for The Cabin to remain next to Boise's brand new Library? Particularly if one were to consider the event space proposed with the new Library that would be available for The Cabin to use. If the Cabin remains this would save on costs associated with moving as well as prevent any potential damage a move could incur. The Cabin Building is owned by the city and leased by the non profit for very minimal cost (I have heard as low as $1 a year). If this is the case the City of Boise can force the building to stay where it is and let the Director and Board decide if they want to move their business or not. If the building stays and the non-profit leaves, the building becomes more space to host programs for the Library. I have concerns with the energy use of the building. There is a lot of glass particularly with the Urban Room. I do not know if this will be an efficient building
The design is fine. However I noticed the event space is listed as not being funded. First I would prefer usable space be prioritized over expensive design options. I also am very unhappy with the city for not even proposing a design where The Cabin remains where it sits. Not only can a move impact listing on the NRHP the Cabin is "The Cabin is the hub for the literary arts in the state of Idaho." How does it not make sense for The Cabin to remain next to Boise's brand new Library? Particularly if one were to consider the event space proposed with the new Library that would be available for The Cabin to use. If the Cabin remains this would save on costs associated with moving as well as prevent any potential damage a move could incur. The Cabin Building is owned by the city and leased by the non profit for very minimal cost (I have heard as low as $1 a year). If this is the case the City of Boise can force the building to stay where it is and let the Director and Board decide if they want to move their business or not. If the building stays and the non-profit leaves, the building becomes more space to host programs for the Library. I have concerns with the energy use of the building. There is a lot of glass particularly with the Urban Room. I do not know if this will be an efficient building
Supported a comment by bonnie zimmerman on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
bonnie zimmerman
I think the design concept has been created to fit a grand library in the space they could take. Any concept to bring people together needs to think about parking. Including safe bicycle parking and lighted walkways. A library needs to be where the people are, or can easily reach. We don't need a grand library. We need multiple neighborhood libraries with updated books, references. Keep updated with technology in all libraries. City tax money needs to be used to the benefit of everyone.
I think the design concept has been created to fit a grand library in the space they could take. Any concept to bring people together needs to think about parking. Including safe bicycle parking and lighted walkways. A library needs to be where the people are, or can easily reach. We don't need a grand library. We need multiple neighborhood libraries with updated books, references. Keep updated with technology in all libraries. City tax money needs to be used to the benefit of everyone.
Supported a comment by Sonja Vogt on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Sonja Vogt
There is no choice of designs. It appears to me that this is the only building concept being discussed. I would like to see other design concepts.
There is no choice of designs. It appears to me that this is the only building concept being discussed. I would like to see other design concepts.
Supported a comment by Joy Salas on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Joy Salas
I would like to see us as a community help those less fortunate. Use the money being used for this library and build housing for the homeless. Put things in place to give them a hand up!!
I would like to see us as a community help those less fortunate. Use the money being used for this library and build housing for the homeless. Put things in place to give them a hand up!!
Supported a comment by Pamela B. on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Pamela B.
There need to be housing options in this city. Where do we put the homeless if current renters who are looking are being asked to make 3 times the cost of rent?
There need to be housing options in this city. Where do we put the homeless if current renters who are looking are being asked to make 3 times the cost of rent?
Supported a comment by Joy Salas on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Joy Salas
Programs to help the valley homeless find work, housing, and other needed resources to help get them off of the street !!
Programs to help the valley homeless find work, housing, and other needed resources to help get them off of the street !!
Supported a comment by Lindsay Mosqueda on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Lindsay Mosqueda
We need to leave the Boise Library alone and make updates as needed. This is what gives Boise its charm and stripping away the history surounding the building along with the building itself does not do this city any justice. I have grown up in that library and while it does need updated, tearing it down destroys what Boise is. The design is atrocious and does not fit into this community. That money could be used in so many different ways that would more benifical to the community than this eyesore. Stop demolishing what everyone loves about Boise. Traffic and parking are already a problem and now you want to create this. Truly sad and disappointing.
We need to leave the Boise Library alone and make updates as needed. This is what gives Boise its charm and stripping away the history surounding the building along with the building itself does not do this city any justice. I have grown up in that library and while it does need updated, tearing it down destroys what Boise is. The design is atrocious and does not fit into this community. That money could be used in so many different ways that would more benifical to the community than this eyesore. Stop demolishing what everyone loves about Boise. Traffic and parking are already a problem and now you want to create this. Truly sad and disappointing.
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
M. Thomas
Significantly less than the 2-3 times per week that I use the library now, if at all. This proposed campus lacks Boise history, character, and identity; and looks unwelcoming in its grandeur. I go to the main library for books, programming, friendly staff, and its unique spaces (the storywell, curved book shelves, windows overlooking staff desks topped with generations of storybook characters, central stairwell, and on); I am not looking for a Barnes & Noble shopping experience or views of the river.
Significantly less than the 2-3 times per week that I use the library now, if at all. This proposed campus lacks Boise history, character, and identity; and looks unwelcoming in its grandeur. I go to the main library for books, programming, friendly staff, and its unique spaces (the storywell, curved book shelves, windows overlooking staff desks topped with generations of storybook characters, central stairwell, and on); I am not looking for a Barnes & Noble shopping experience or views of the river.
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
M. Thomas
Not any more than it already is; the site is next to the River and easily accessed by the Greenbelt. This has nothing to do with a library. I go to the Library for books and programming, not to look at the River or Greenbelt.
Not any more than it already is; the site is next to the River and easily accessed by the Greenbelt. This has nothing to do with a library. I go to the Library for books and programming, not to look at the River or Greenbelt.
Commented on Main Library Campus
2 years ago
NO demolishing of any existing warehouse buildings in that neighborhood! Renovate and incorporate them.
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
M. Thomas
Books, free use of any meeting or event spaces to any patron or community group, community outreach to underserved community groups, accessibility for all as determined by those with accessibility needs. Does this site plan open access to Boise State University across the river and the Cultural District within or near 8th Street? Not any more than it already is, and possibly less with the hardscaping of 8th Street. The Cultural District is also the Historic Warehouse District, yet this plan demolishes the Salt Lake Hardware Company Warehouse and 45 years of library history and culture.
Books, free use of any meeting or event spaces to any patron or community group, community outreach to underserved community groups, accessibility for all as determined by those with accessibility needs. Does this site plan open access to Boise State University across the river and the Cultural District within or near 8th Street? Not any more than it already is, and possibly less with the hardscaping of 8th Street. The Cultural District is also the Historic Warehouse District, yet this plan demolishes the Salt Lake Hardware Company Warehouse and 45 years of library history and culture.
Commented on Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Yes, true public input that actually wants to work with the public is what's needed. I didn't even know about this until very recently. And drawing in "out-of-towners"?! ridiculous! A library is for the locals. Our numerous event enters, stadiums and theaters are for the out of town draw. We have enough of those already. Who's behind this? Who wants the old event center to be sold/torn down and for what? Who's name is going on this complex? This is all too grandiose to be for "Boiseans", the people.
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
M. Thomas
Additional comments is not open for comments. The survey links are not allowing people to submit feedback. As a high-use patron, I have been shocked at the lack of public input or outreach for this project, starting with the Visioning Workshops. The stated goals were created by “the project steering committee” according to the available executive summary – what does being an iconic gateway, a destination for out-of-towners, or incorporating the River have to do with a library? How many people were included in these workshops from diverse populations, non-English speakers, homeless coalition, refugee community, varying accessibility needs, etc.? There have been no signs in the libraries, no outreach other than Facebook and the main web site. Regular patrons have no knowledge of the proposed plan, much less the July open houses. The open house at the main library was on a Friday evening, during a heavy vacation month, and 1 ½ of the 2 hour period was after the library had closed. This process needs to slow down: offer visioning workshops that do not start with a presentation of the proposed space based on 2014 and earlier data; host the open house series once per week over a series of weeks; leave the survey link open at least one month; have large posters with the plan, open house dates, and survey links at the entrance of each library branch.
Additional comments is not open for comments. The survey links are not allowing people to submit feedback. As a high-use patron, I have been shocked at the lack of public input or outreach for this project, starting with the Visioning Workshops. The stated goals were created by “the project steering committee” according to the available executive summary – what does being an iconic gateway, a destination for out-of-towners, or incorporating the River have to do with a library? How many people were included in these workshops from diverse populations, non-English speakers, homeless coalition, refugee community, varying accessibility needs, etc.? There have been no signs in the libraries, no outreach other than Facebook and the main web site. Regular patrons have no knowledge of the proposed plan, much less the July open houses. The open house at the main library was on a Friday evening, during a heavy vacation month, and 1 ½ of the 2 hour period was after the library had closed. This process needs to slow down: offer visioning workshops that do not start with a presentation of the proposed space based on 2014 and earlier data; host the open house series once per week over a series of weeks; leave the survey link open at least one month; have large posters with the plan, open house dates, and survey links at the entrance of each library branch.
Supported a comment by Gary Zimmerman on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Gary Zimmerman
(1) I really would like to see a design that focuses on being a library and not everything else. For example we have a history museum that was recently remodeled and may be a good choice for a center for arts and history. Also JUMP and Anne Frank could be better utilized for teaching and event space. (2) A modular, fiscally responsible, design and construction plan that allows a more phased build out over time. This could allow the plan to react to changes in the community overtime as well. (3) This library project should not take away from the mission to bring materials to all locations of the valley with branch libraries, etc. This project seems to overpower and take away from the core mission and value of libraries within the overall community.
(1) I really would like to see a design that focuses on being a library and not everything else. For example we have a history museum that was recently remodeled and may be a good choice for a center for arts and history. Also JUMP and Anne Frank could be better utilized for teaching and event space. (2) A modular, fiscally responsible, design and construction plan that allows a more phased build out over time. This could allow the plan to react to changes in the community overtime as well. (3) This library project should not take away from the mission to bring materials to all locations of the valley with branch libraries, etc. This project seems to overpower and take away from the core mission and value of libraries within the overall community.
Supported a comment by Dave T. on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Dave T.
A better set of survey questions. The question 2 packs too much in and i can’t say yes to every aspect of the question so I have to say no. I’d like to see other INNOVATIVE plans by local architects that incorporate the existing warehouse building and keep the cabin where it is. I would like to see a more detailed budget That includes the sources of money instead of a line item marked “Other” for $53.8 million in the budget.
A better set of survey questions. The question 2 packs too much in and i can’t say yes to every aspect of the question so I have to say no. I’d like to see other INNOVATIVE plans by local architects that incorporate the existing warehouse building and keep the cabin where it is. I would like to see a more detailed budget That includes the sources of money instead of a line item marked “Other” for $53.8 million in the budget.
Supported a comment by Dave T. on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Dave T.
This survey is so poorly implemented and does not match the one on the Main Library site. I had prepared comments for the "Other Comments" section and then get here to find there is not place to leave other comments. I would have used the one on the main library site but that one has been giving a "500: Internal Server Error" all weekend and into today, the last day of the survey. So where do I give my actual feedback???? I think the initial visioning workshops where a joke. I read the executive summary and on the first page it even states “project goals and objectives for the project as set by the project steering committee are summarized as follows”. The project goals and objectives were already set before that visioning workshop. A project of this size should be put to a bond/levy vote.
This survey is so poorly implemented and does not match the one on the Main Library site. I had prepared comments for the "Other Comments" section and then get here to find there is not place to leave other comments. I would have used the one on the main library site but that one has been giving a "500: Internal Server Error" all weekend and into today, the last day of the survey. So where do I give my actual feedback???? I think the initial visioning workshops where a joke. I read the executive summary and on the first page it even states “project goals and objectives for the project as set by the project steering committee are summarized as follows”. The project goals and objectives were already set before that visioning workshop. A project of this size should be put to a bond/levy vote.
Commented on Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Indeed, we DO NOT need this to also be an event center!!!
Supported a comment by Jamie Kaiser on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Jamie Kaiser
I am excited that this proposal would likely mean a more bulked up collection of books. That being said, I am a library super user and when I lived in Salt Lake City I rarely used the library because its design was inefficient. I fear this library suffers from the same flaws. I was so excited when I moved to Boise and was able to experience a traditional library that wasn’t masquerading as an events center.
I am excited that this proposal would likely mean a more bulked up collection of books. That being said, I am a library super user and when I lived in Salt Lake City I rarely used the library because its design was inefficient. I fear this library suffers from the same flaws. I was so excited when I moved to Boise and was able to experience a traditional library that wasn’t masquerading as an events center.
Supported a comment by C Shaw on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
C Shaw
My family currently visits the library at least once a week. Onsite parking is crucial in maintaining the convenience and habit of library use. This design destroys another part of our historic downtown by removing the Cabin and expresses a paradigm of excess and waste. Boise is well supplied with affordable, family friendly theaters and BAM is directly across the street. This would be a better place for the Arts and History piece. Good libraries are so important...this design does not emphasis or celebrate the Library!.
My family currently visits the library at least once a week. Onsite parking is crucial in maintaining the convenience and habit of library use. This design destroys another part of our historic downtown by removing the Cabin and expresses a paradigm of excess and waste. Boise is well supplied with affordable, family friendly theaters and BAM is directly across the street. This would be a better place for the Arts and History piece. Good libraries are so important...this design does not emphasis or celebrate the Library!.
Supported a comment by Margie Baehr on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Margie Baehr
PLEASE don't have the Department of Arts & History duplicate services that are already provided in the community by BAM and others. Why do you feel a need to, as you state in your brochure, offer "professionally curated exhibitions" when we have a first-class art museum across the street? This is a waste of money and resources. BAM has been the center for visual arts for our city for over 80 years and deserves more support from Boise.
PLEASE don't have the Department of Arts & History duplicate services that are already provided in the community by BAM and others. Why do you feel a need to, as you state in your brochure, offer "professionally curated exhibitions" when we have a first-class art museum across the street? This is a waste of money and resources. BAM has been the center for visual arts for our city for over 80 years and deserves more support from Boise.
Commented on Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Green outside spaces, not concrete and glass!
Commented on Main Library Campus
2 years ago
And, I whole-heartedly agree with him, Margie!
Supported a comment by Margie Baehr on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Margie Baehr
It's an albatross! This is a giant structure with no parking. Public transit is inadequate. We lose green-space and the literary Cabin. Unfortunately, a gift shop and snack bar will not be a significant draw for foot traffic. Because of inadequate parking, this new library will be utilized even less than the current Library! I fear that this new library will become a liability, not an asset. Duplication of services is also a concern. Specifically I'm referring to the plans for curated art space. We have a lovely, small art museum, BAM, right across Capital Blvd, with experience in showcasing local artists as well as bringing significant exhibitions to Boise. Besides, BAM has inadequate exhibit space for it's large collection of excellent art. Will BAM be responsible for the art gallery space at the new library, or has the city decided to hire duplicate staff to manage this area? If the city is going to "go big" with the "Gateway to the City" concept, wouldn't a better gateway include plans to save the Cabin and pair a smaller new library with an expanded Boise Art Museum facility directly across Capital Blvd?
It's an albatross! This is a giant structure with no parking. Public transit is inadequate. We lose green-space and the literary Cabin. Unfortunately, a gift shop and snack bar will not be a significant draw for foot traffic. Because of inadequate parking, this new library will be utilized even less than the current Library! I fear that this new library will become a liability, not an asset. Duplication of services is also a concern. Specifically I'm referring to the plans for curated art space. We have a lovely, small art museum, BAM, right across Capital Blvd, with experience in showcasing local artists as well as bringing significant exhibitions to Boise. Besides, BAM has inadequate exhibit space for it's large collection of excellent art. Will BAM be responsible for the art gallery space at the new library, or has the city decided to hire duplicate staff to manage this area? If the city is going to "go big" with the "Gateway to the City" concept, wouldn't a better gateway include plans to save the Cabin and pair a smaller new library with an expanded Boise Art Museum facility directly across Capital Blvd?
Supported a comment by David Klinger on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
David Klinger
A beautiful, modernist design ... that belongs in Barcelona, Spain, or Abu Dhabi. It’s not a fit with an intermountain city, between foothills and river, whose character and culture are wedded in the Oregon Trail. A contemporary, Prairie School design with Frank Lloyd Wright as its inspiration would have blended better with its environment but still provided inspiration and modernism. A structure that “works” works best when it respects its surroundings, topography, scale, and culture.
A beautiful, modernist design ... that belongs in Barcelona, Spain, or Abu Dhabi. It’s not a fit with an intermountain city, between foothills and river, whose character and culture are wedded in the Oregon Trail. A contemporary, Prairie School design with Frank Lloyd Wright as its inspiration would have blended better with its environment but still provided inspiration and modernism. A structure that “works” works best when it respects its surroundings, topography, scale, and culture.
Commented on Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Couldn't agree more.
Supported a comment by David Klinger on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
David Klinger
I would like to see less. “Less” can sometimes be “more”. First, it’s apparent that this design is less of a library and more of a “social events center” that relegates library functions to the background, almost as an afterthought. Library functions need greater prominence in this structure, not less. As far as the “urban meeting place” and “epicenter of culture” sales pitches for this new design, I thought Boise was supposed to already possess an “urban meeting place”? It’s called JUMP. Have you considered the possibility that two “urban meeting places” (requiring two massive parking structures) may tend to de-market each other? Pity this project wasn’t approached 10 years ago as a “public-private partnership” between the City of Boise and the Simplot Corporation that would have consolidated all of these functions (library, arts, meeting space, etc.) into one really outstanding venue. It’s called “achieving critical mass” and had these projects been approached collectively, instead of “stove-piping” them separately, we might have gotten a single, better facility, at less overall cost, than two duplicative facilities that may wind up consuming valuable downtown space while providing limited services for the average Boise resident. A real missed opportunity.
I would like to see less. “Less” can sometimes be “more”. First, it’s apparent that this design is less of a library and more of a “social events center” that relegates library functions to the background, almost as an afterthought. Library functions need greater prominence in this structure, not less. As far as the “urban meeting place” and “epicenter of culture” sales pitches for this new design, I thought Boise was supposed to already possess an “urban meeting place”? It’s called JUMP. Have you considered the possibility that two “urban meeting places” (requiring two massive parking structures) may tend to de-market each other? Pity this project wasn’t approached 10 years ago as a “public-private partnership” between the City of Boise and the Simplot Corporation that would have consolidated all of these functions (library, arts, meeting space, etc.) into one really outstanding venue. It’s called “achieving critical mass” and had these projects been approached collectively, instead of “stove-piping” them separately, we might have gotten a single, better facility, at less overall cost, than two duplicative facilities that may wind up consuming valuable downtown space while providing limited services for the average Boise resident. A real missed opportunity.
Supported a comment by Sharon Tabor on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Sharon Tabor
Should a library be a gateway to a city? Who is asking these questions? I have never visited a local library in any city I have visited over my lifetime. It doesn't mean I don't like libraries, it means I am more likely to visit a museum like our tiny art museum.
Should a library be a gateway to a city? Who is asking these questions? I have never visited a local library in any city I have visited over my lifetime. It doesn't mean I don't like libraries, it means I am more likely to visit a museum like our tiny art museum.
Supported a comment by Scott K. on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Scott K.
What would help city leaders is for the public to discuss and consider alternative designs along with project and operations and maintenance costs. For instance, the costs of maintaining the current library vs establishing branches throughout the city vs standalone event centers and the Boise Arts and History Center. It seems as if the public is being asked to consider a yes or no answer to a design that may or not be modified further. A cost benefit analysis that considers a variety of alternatives would help build support.
What would help city leaders is for the public to discuss and consider alternative designs along with project and operations and maintenance costs. For instance, the costs of maintaining the current library vs establishing branches throughout the city vs standalone event centers and the Boise Arts and History Center. It seems as if the public is being asked to consider a yes or no answer to a design that may or not be modified further. A cost benefit analysis that considers a variety of alternatives would help build support.
Supported a comment by Scott K. on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Scott K.
I'd like to see a "going back to basics" approach to the library. We should ask ourselves is this a library that we're building, or a building complex that happens to incorporate two separate buildings that may or may not be necessary? It's a completely different situation when say a private developer like Gardner builds a facility that incorporates public elements like a transit center. When a city takes the lead, questions arise as to whether this is the most cost effective way to attain a goal. Do we need another event center given existing and planned venues? Does the Boise Arts and History department need its own building? Don't get me wrong I support culture, the arts, history, as well as, libraries, but I would be hesitant to help support and fund a complex that seems more than the simple task of modernizing a place to do research and find research materials and archives.
I'd like to see a "going back to basics" approach to the library. We should ask ourselves is this a library that we're building, or a building complex that happens to incorporate two separate buildings that may or may not be necessary? It's a completely different situation when say a private developer like Gardner builds a facility that incorporates public elements like a transit center. When a city takes the lead, questions arise as to whether this is the most cost effective way to attain a goal. Do we need another event center given existing and planned venues? Does the Boise Arts and History department need its own building? Don't get me wrong I support culture, the arts, history, as well as, libraries, but I would be hesitant to help support and fund a complex that seems more than the simple task of modernizing a place to do research and find research materials and archives.
Supported a comment by Scott K. on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Scott K.
First of all, we are not Salt Lake City, nor should we try to be. There is a lot of wasted space and a lot of concrete in the proposed designs. I'm not sure I would travel by foot, car or bike to a building that doesn't fit in well with its surrounding environment and seems to wall itself off from what makes Boise so nice - 8th street, the river, and views of the Statehouse, Depot, and Foothills.
First of all, we are not Salt Lake City, nor should we try to be. There is a lot of wasted space and a lot of concrete in the proposed designs. I'm not sure I would travel by foot, car or bike to a building that doesn't fit in well with its surrounding environment and seems to wall itself off from what makes Boise so nice - 8th street, the river, and views of the Statehouse, Depot, and Foothills.
Supported a comment by Scott K. on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Scott K.
Absolutely not. Where is the access to the Greenbelt? Where are elements of the Boise River reflected in the design? It's a lot of concrete and glass with beige walls - emphasis on the walls, concrete or glass that separate individuals from access to both the river and Greenbelt. . The Boise River, to me, is free flowing, wild, clean, and green.
Absolutely not. Where is the access to the Greenbelt? Where are elements of the Boise River reflected in the design? It's a lot of concrete and glass with beige walls - emphasis on the walls, concrete or glass that separate individuals from access to both the river and Greenbelt. . The Boise River, to me, is free flowing, wild, clean, and green.
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Diane Plastino Graves
Can you imagine how hot that concrete plaza would be in our routine 90+ degree days?
Can you imagine how hot that concrete plaza would be in our routine 90+ degree days?
Supported a comment by Kay Hummel on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Kay Hummel
Please redesign the site plan with more simplicity to meet customers’ true needs. Substantially downsize the northern entrance plaza along River Street and move the building north. A smaller plaza would allow retention of The Cabin, which plays a vital role in the cultural district. The proposed 20,000 sq.ft. outdoor plaza is not useable at least 7 months of the year, whereas other Library functions are needed year-round. There is adequate green space with the 2 rooftop outdoor gardens and other open space indicated on the west side. While the design is initially exciting, I urge reconsideration of truly necessary library functions vs. some community “priorities” listed. For example, a “connection with the River” does not merit top priority when there is abundant access to the Boise River at many nearby locations. Our Library’s two highest functions are library services and space for the Arts and History Dept. Focus on these functions, and proper design will follow. Likewise, I am unclear on the necessity for ‘maker spaces.’ Given the under utilization of Jump’s maker spaces, this is a head scratcher. Adequate parking and auditorium space are the next highest functions that must be designed for, again more vital year-round than a cement-clad plaza (which also will be too hot in two summer months, essentially a baking, reflecting desert). Citizens are not excited about paying for more outdoor gathering spaces when the Downtown core provides ample outdoor sites nearby – Julia Davis, Ann Morrison, the Grove Plaza, and Jump.
Please redesign the site plan with more simplicity to meet customers’ true needs. Substantially downsize the northern entrance plaza along River Street and move the building north. A smaller plaza would allow retention of The Cabin, which plays a vital role in the cultural district. The proposed 20,000 sq.ft. outdoor plaza is not useable at least 7 months of the year, whereas other Library functions are needed year-round. There is adequate green space with the 2 rooftop outdoor gardens and other open space indicated on the west side. While the design is initially exciting, I urge reconsideration of truly necessary library functions vs. some community “priorities” listed. For example, a “connection with the River” does not merit top priority when there is abundant access to the Boise River at many nearby locations. Our Library’s two highest functions are library services and space for the Arts and History Dept. Focus on these functions, and proper design will follow. Likewise, I am unclear on the necessity for ‘maker spaces.’ Given the under utilization of Jump’s maker spaces, this is a head scratcher. Adequate parking and auditorium space are the next highest functions that must be designed for, again more vital year-round than a cement-clad plaza (which also will be too hot in two summer months, essentially a baking, reflecting desert). Citizens are not excited about paying for more outdoor gathering spaces when the Downtown core provides ample outdoor sites nearby – Julia Davis, Ann Morrison, the Grove Plaza, and Jump.
Commented on Main Library Campus
2 years ago
"heat into the greenbelt area" is a very important consideration. An all glass wall could significantly change the river habitat!
Supported a comment by Sonja Vogt on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Sonja Vogt
This building is first and foremost a library. So the space for the library should be the main focus. The rooftop gardens proposed for the Center for Arts & History and Event Space are similar to those seen in downtown Portland. The gardens are very attractive, as long as they do not add a great deal of structural cost. I am always in favor of greenery incorporated into urban environments. Thinking about blending into the natural environment more thought should to be put into the south facing wall of windows. The impact on wildlife, and reflection of light and heat into the Greenbelt area and the adjoining street would be detrimental.
This building is first and foremost a library. So the space for the library should be the main focus. The rooftop gardens proposed for the Center for Arts & History and Event Space are similar to those seen in downtown Portland. The gardens are very attractive, as long as they do not add a great deal of structural cost. I am always in favor of greenery incorporated into urban environments. Thinking about blending into the natural environment more thought should to be put into the south facing wall of windows. The impact on wildlife, and reflection of light and heat into the Greenbelt area and the adjoining street would be detrimental.
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
M. Thomas
The current library is a piece of Warehouse District history, even though it falls outside of the protection of the Historic Warehouse / South 8th Street Historic District, and as such it would be terrible to see it demolished. If a new central library is needed, why not closer to the Mall area where it would be more central for Boise residents, and the downtown library could become a branch library? Or just more branch libraries throughout the city? I really like your idea of the Armory for Arts & History and event space. Then the Fort Boise Community Center could be updated and that area would serve as a community gathering space.
The current library is a piece of Warehouse District history, even though it falls outside of the protection of the Historic Warehouse / South 8th Street Historic District, and as such it would be terrible to see it demolished. If a new central library is needed, why not closer to the Mall area where it would be more central for Boise residents, and the downtown library could become a branch library? Or just more branch libraries throughout the city? I really like your idea of the Armory for Arts & History and event space. Then the Fort Boise Community Center could be updated and that area would serve as a community gathering space.
Supported a comment by scott tagg on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
scott tagg
I like the overall design of the building, but not the location. The city has better options. Demolish the current library and replace with parking garage and first floor retail. Build the new library at the western gateway into the city, at whitewater and Fairview (Local Construct project, which would have parking garage and apartments). Arts and History and event venue space should move to the Boise Armory, as it has space and ample parking. Include a City of Boise museum at the Armory. Again the design is great, but not that location. We can do better!
I like the overall design of the building, but not the location. The city has better options. Demolish the current library and replace with parking garage and first floor retail. Build the new library at the western gateway into the city, at whitewater and Fairview (Local Construct project, which would have parking garage and apartments). Arts and History and event venue space should move to the Boise Armory, as it has space and ample parking. Include a City of Boise museum at the Armory. Again the design is great, but not that location. We can do better!
Commented on Main Library Campus
2 years ago
I believe it is owned by St.Luke's, is it not? - like nearly every other thing on that side of town.
Supported a comment by scott tagg on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
scott tagg
Arts and history needs their own location, and we need a city of Boise museum. Boise Armory has been vacant for too long. Plus there should be enough room and parking for a 300 seat venue.
Arts and history needs their own location, and we need a city of Boise museum. Boise Armory has been vacant for too long. Plus there should be enough room and parking for a 300 seat venue.
Supported a comment by Pamela B. on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Pamela B.
Book club. Sharing of music. More on Boise and Treasure Valley history such as The Cabin. More language classes, the city is diversifying and it is important to be able to communicate with your neighbors. Children's programs.
Book club. Sharing of music. More on Boise and Treasure Valley history such as The Cabin. More language classes, the city is diversifying and it is important to be able to communicate with your neighbors. Children's programs.
Supported a comment by Brooke O. on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Brooke O.
too flashy and does not compliment the environment or other buildings nearby.
too flashy and does not compliment the environment or other buildings nearby.
Supported a comment by Ule Gould on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Ule Gould
I really like the re-use of exiting buildings like Ustick and Collister. We do not need a fancy new building.
I really like the re-use of exiting buildings like Ustick and Collister. We do not need a fancy new building.
Supported a comment by Ule Gould on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Ule Gould
Less iconic, more modest
Less iconic, more modest
Supported a comment by David Klinger on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
David Klinger
The new design respects neither the Greenbelt not the Boise River. Its massive, overbearing face overwhelms, rather than complements, its southerly riverfront. A south-facing, four-story glass walled-atrium is setting up a huge temperature control problem — in summer, that facade will be broiling (something that most Boiseans understand, but that maybe Massachusetts architects don’t). A plate-glass, walled front opposite a river corridor heavily used by waterfowl and songbirds has the potential to become a “killing machine” for birds, especially considering how the new library’s rooftop gardens will further lure birds and set up the very real possibility of needless bird strikes, subjecting the City of Boise to possible violation of Federal and state wildlife laws when it is possible to re-orient the new structure to diminish or eliminate such a deficiency. Did the architect spend a morning sitting on the front lawn of “The Cabin” studying the heavy movement of geese, ducks, raptors, and songbirds between the river and Julia Davis Park? If so, he would have understood that plate glass facades are going to create problems.
The new design respects neither the Greenbelt not the Boise River. Its massive, overbearing face overwhelms, rather than complements, its southerly riverfront. A south-facing, four-story glass walled-atrium is setting up a huge temperature control problem — in summer, that facade will be broiling (something that most Boiseans understand, but that maybe Massachusetts architects don’t). A plate-glass, walled front opposite a river corridor heavily used by waterfowl and songbirds has the potential to become a “killing machine” for birds, especially considering how the new library’s rooftop gardens will further lure birds and set up the very real possibility of needless bird strikes, subjecting the City of Boise to possible violation of Federal and state wildlife laws when it is possible to re-orient the new structure to diminish or eliminate such a deficiency. Did the architect spend a morning sitting on the front lawn of “The Cabin” studying the heavy movement of geese, ducks, raptors, and songbirds between the river and Julia Davis Park? If so, he would have understood that plate glass facades are going to create problems.
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Diane Plastino Graves
It is absolutely unacceptable that the cabin be moved to another location. And moving it to that string of orphaned buildings in Julia Davis Park is beyond unacceptable. What this building is, and where it is are the same thing. I agree with every comment in the Idaho Statesman editorial of July 22nd.
It is absolutely unacceptable that the cabin be moved to another location. And moving it to that string of orphaned buildings in Julia Davis Park is beyond unacceptable. What this building is, and where it is are the same thing. I agree with every comment in the Idaho Statesman editorial of July 22nd.
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Diane Plastino Graves
It lords over the river. The glass and concrete are very stern, and are the antithesis of the lush, welcoming riparian environment. Can you imagine how hot that entrance courtyard will be during our routine 95+ degree days?
It lords over the river. The glass and concrete are very stern, and are the antithesis of the lush, welcoming riparian environment. Can you imagine how hot that entrance courtyard will be during our routine 95+ degree days?
Supported a comment by Kevin Brandt on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Kevin Brandt
I understand and support the need for a new library. However, I don't understand the attached Arts and History center and theater. The art and history museum are literally across the street - what is going to go in this space? If we want more art and history museum space why not put it with the art and history museum. Same with the theater - what would go in here? Would one of the existing theater companies move in - what is wrong with their current facilities? It seems these were added on without real justification.
I understand and support the need for a new library. However, I don't understand the attached Arts and History center and theater. The art and history museum are literally across the street - what is going to go in this space? If we want more art and history museum space why not put it with the art and history museum. Same with the theater - what would go in here? Would one of the existing theater companies move in - what is wrong with their current facilities? It seems these were added on without real justification.
Supported a comment by Jamie Kaiser on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Jamie Kaiser
I would like to see a design that is less modern and that fits in better with the aesthetic of Boise.
I would like to see a design that is less modern and that fits in better with the aesthetic of Boise.
Supported a comment by Jamie Kaiser on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Jamie Kaiser
The only thing from a library that I want is a good collection of books. We literally do not have a good, comprehensive biography of former president Martin Van Buren. I would much rather Boise spend its money on that then another event center pretending to be a library.
The only thing from a library that I want is a good collection of books. We literally do not have a good, comprehensive biography of former president Martin Van Buren. I would much rather Boise spend its money on that then another event center pretending to be a library.
Supported a comment by Shauna Swank on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Shauna Swank
I'd like to see the log cabin incorporated. Boise too often sacrifices the past on the alter of the now believing it's buying the future.
I'd like to see the log cabin incorporated. Boise too often sacrifices the past on the alter of the now believing it's buying the future.
Supported a comment by George Targee on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
George Targee
I would like to see more thought given to making the library a more practical, functional place / service. I would like less thought and money given to it's beautiful design.
I would like to see more thought given to making the library a more practical, functional place / service. I would like less thought and money given to it's beautiful design.
Supported a comment by Brooke O. on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Brooke O.
more shade, more trees, less windows/reflection and a more thoughtful timeless design
more shade, more trees, less windows/reflection and a more thoughtful timeless design
Supported a comment by Brooke O. on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Brooke O.
absolutely not. it looks like JUMP or the EMP in Seattle. it is not complimentary
absolutely not. it looks like JUMP or the EMP in Seattle. it is not complimentary
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Diane Plastino Graves
One of the unconfirmed reports I have heard is that the City is eyeing the block of interesting old buildings on South 8th, where the Foothills School is now, for a parking garage. So tearing down more interesting, historic buildings that give us a sense of place in trade for perhaps another cinderblock parking garage like the one the City egregiously allowed Gardner to build on Front and 12th? (That is a whole other topic...) That doubles the trauma, when considering the unacceptable loss of the Cabin.
One of the unconfirmed reports I have heard is that the City is eyeing the block of interesting old buildings on South 8th, where the Foothills School is now, for a parking garage. So tearing down more interesting, historic buildings that give us a sense of place in trade for perhaps another cinderblock parking garage like the one the City egregiously allowed Gardner to build on Front and 12th? (That is a whole other topic...) That doubles the trauma, when considering the unacceptable loss of the Cabin.
Commented on Main Library Campus
2 years ago
I do go now, often, precisely because I can pull into the parking lot, run in, and leave all without crossing a street.
Commented on Main Library Campus
2 years ago
A parking garage is unpleasant to use. Adequate local site parking as is now available needs to be continued. I WOULD NOT go much if I had to use a parking garage even a block walk away.
Supported a comment by Kevin Brandt on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Kevin Brandt
There is no information about parking, none is shown in the drawings and the in the paper it has been stated that underground parking is cost prohibitive. There is extremely limited off-site parking in this area. I'm concerned that vanity and design has taken first place over function.
There is no information about parking, none is shown in the drawings and the in the paper it has been stated that underground parking is cost prohibitive. There is extremely limited off-site parking in this area. I'm concerned that vanity and design has taken first place over function.
Supported a comment by Chryssa Rich on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Chryssa Rich
No, I think the wall of windows will kill too many birds.
No, I think the wall of windows will kill too many birds.
Supported a comment by Maria Kauffman on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Maria Kauffman
This structure is beautiful but It seems firm has won out over function.I’ve taken my 5.5yo to the library every week since she was an infant. I also recently had knee surgery and have a new awareness of how hard simple errands have become. Reducing onsite parking by 75% and moving parking further away from the library reduces the convenience of the library dramatically and I feel would deter many people from using the main library. I also don’t understand the emphasis on the arts and culture areas. Adding a theater will compound the parking issue. I agree that art should be incorporated into the library, but is a gallery the best use of space when BAM is across the street? Is a theater necessary when JUMP is right around the corner? One of the best features of the main library is the drive through book drop. Will this feature be retained? If you eliminate it are you considering city wide drop of points? I am perplexed the designer simply ignored The Cabin and didn’t incorporate it into the design. Is it necessary to have a large lounging area around the library and on the roof? It feels like overkill and an egregious waste of potential parking and makes it harder for people with disabilities to reach the door. I love that Boise is becoming more cosmopolitan and an upgraded library is overdue. But this library feels unnecessarily extravagant and loses the main function in all the excess.
This structure is beautiful but It seems firm has won out over function.I’ve taken my 5.5yo to the library every week since she was an infant. I also recently had knee surgery and have a new awareness of how hard simple errands have become. Reducing onsite parking by 75% and moving parking further away from the library reduces the convenience of the library dramatically and I feel would deter many people from using the main library. I also don’t understand the emphasis on the arts and culture areas. Adding a theater will compound the parking issue. I agree that art should be incorporated into the library, but is a gallery the best use of space when BAM is across the street? Is a theater necessary when JUMP is right around the corner? One of the best features of the main library is the drive through book drop. Will this feature be retained? If you eliminate it are you considering city wide drop of points? I am perplexed the designer simply ignored The Cabin and didn’t incorporate it into the design. Is it necessary to have a large lounging area around the library and on the roof? It feels like overkill and an egregious waste of potential parking and makes it harder for people with disabilities to reach the door. I love that Boise is becoming more cosmopolitan and an upgraded library is overdue. But this library feels unnecessarily extravagant and loses the main function in all the excess.
Supported a comment by Jeff Fereday on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Jeff Fereday
It would be unfortunate to remove The Cabin from its current site. This 1930s-era building is part of the visitor's welcome to the City on Capitol Blvd, and is an icon for the locals. Its log construction echoes the Capitol Building itself, with its log motif at its base. It announces Boise's concern for history, and for our frontier roots. Joint Library-Cabin programming obviously would be aided by leaving it in place. It does not significantly impair the view of the river and instead anchors a point in Idaho's past and in Boise's commitment to literacy. Again, a highly compatible purpose. Please leave The Cabin in place. The City has undermined meaningful public input by failing to include The Cabin in any rendering or as an option in the model. The new building should celebrate, not simply discard, this venerable building. Both parking and Cabin preservation could be enhanced by shrinking the proposed library plaza on the north and perhaps rotating the building clockwise (or slightly re-designing it) so as to create more parking space to the south of the BioMark building and more setback for The Cabin. I recognize that an off-site parking garage probably will be necessary, but I urge the City to plan for public transit in and out of this area and consider that option in this design. The new library should invite, not stand as a barrier to, mass transit in the Boise area.
It would be unfortunate to remove The Cabin from its current site. This 1930s-era building is part of the visitor's welcome to the City on Capitol Blvd, and is an icon for the locals. Its log construction echoes the Capitol Building itself, with its log motif at its base. It announces Boise's concern for history, and for our frontier roots. Joint Library-Cabin programming obviously would be aided by leaving it in place. It does not significantly impair the view of the river and instead anchors a point in Idaho's past and in Boise's commitment to literacy. Again, a highly compatible purpose. Please leave The Cabin in place. The City has undermined meaningful public input by failing to include The Cabin in any rendering or as an option in the model. The new building should celebrate, not simply discard, this venerable building. Both parking and Cabin preservation could be enhanced by shrinking the proposed library plaza on the north and perhaps rotating the building clockwise (or slightly re-designing it) so as to create more parking space to the south of the BioMark building and more setback for The Cabin. I recognize that an off-site parking garage probably will be necessary, but I urge the City to plan for public transit in and out of this area and consider that option in this design. The new library should invite, not stand as a barrier to, mass transit in the Boise area.
Supported a comment by M. Thomas on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
M. Thomas
I would like to see a detailed breakdown of the $85 million proposed budget including how much has already been spent on the project; costs of renovation versus demolition; full disclosure of the architectural services selection process including financials; and transparent and complete breakdown of funding (including clarification of the $46.8 million from Tax Support and $22.2 million from Partnerships/Donations listed on p. 187 of the FY2019 City Budget). In the concept presentation to City Council in December 2017, a line item of $4.1 million for renovation of the existing warehouse was included as part of an overall proposed budget of $63.7 million that included $10.5 million for a parking garage and $10.7 million for event space & equipment. Nothing was mentioned about The Cabin at that point. How did that jump to complete demolition and an $80-85 million budget plus a separately funded parking garage?
I would like to see a detailed breakdown of the $85 million proposed budget including how much has already been spent on the project; costs of renovation versus demolition; full disclosure of the architectural services selection process including financials; and transparent and complete breakdown of funding (including clarification of the $46.8 million from Tax Support and $22.2 million from Partnerships/Donations listed on p. 187 of the FY2019 City Budget). In the concept presentation to City Council in December 2017, a line item of $4.1 million for renovation of the existing warehouse was included as part of an overall proposed budget of $63.7 million that included $10.5 million for a parking garage and $10.7 million for event space & equipment. Nothing was mentioned about The Cabin at that point. How did that jump to complete demolition and an $80-85 million budget plus a separately funded parking garage?
Supported a comment by J Crowe on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
J Crowe
this building is beautiful but can but can Boise/Boise citizens afford it? On top of the current projected costs, has the city considered the cost of affordable parking for citizens? Has the city considered projected maintenance/utility costs for a south facing wall of windows in our desert climate? And has the City considered the cost of moving the Cabin which is all about the history of our community?
this building is beautiful but can but can Boise/Boise citizens afford it? On top of the current projected costs, has the city considered the cost of affordable parking for citizens? Has the city considered projected maintenance/utility costs for a south facing wall of windows in our desert climate? And has the City considered the cost of moving the Cabin which is all about the history of our community?
Supported a comment by Carole Whiteleather on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Carole Whiteleather
Forgot to explain my reasons regarding The Cabin. As the former Director of Education for The Cabin, I must stress the importance of the location for one of the most dynamic programs, Summer Writing Camps. Students need the access to nature, the museums, zoo and downtown for the various writing assignments and camps in which they participate. When we re-designed the camps from a small three week window to a full summer of offerings, many more students have enjoyed this opportunity. Moving The Cabin could be detrimental to this wonderful experience for kids. Thank you for your consideration of my comments.
Forgot to explain my reasons regarding The Cabin. As the former Director of Education for The Cabin, I must stress the importance of the location for one of the most dynamic programs, Summer Writing Camps. Students need the access to nature, the museums, zoo and downtown for the various writing assignments and camps in which they participate. When we re-designed the camps from a small three week window to a full summer of offerings, many more students have enjoyed this opportunity. Moving The Cabin could be detrimental to this wonderful experience for kids. Thank you for your consideration of my comments.
Commented on Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Mitigate = make less severe, serious, or painful. How about a non-all glass design. This is not appropriate design in a century moving toward sustainability. Insulate with thick solid walls. Use solar panels on the roof. Have large windows but not walls of glass.
Supported a comment by Alex Takasugi on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Alex Takasugi
I would like to see thought and effort put into preventing bird collisions with all the glass window space. The American Bird Conservancy has ideas here: https://abcbirds.org/program/glass-collisions/learn-more/ Check out the "Resources for Architects, Planners and Develpers" section.
I would like to see thought and effort put into preventing bird collisions with all the glass window space. The American Bird Conservancy has ideas here: https://abcbirds.org/program/glass-collisions/learn-more/ Check out the "Resources for Architects, Planners and Develpers" section.
Supported a comment by Kathy Kustra on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Kathy Kustra
I'm greatly disappointed you didn't figure out a way to incorporate The Cabin in its original location into this design or campus. This new building should not forget our history.
I'm greatly disappointed you didn't figure out a way to incorporate The Cabin in its original location into this design or campus. This new building should not forget our history.
Followed Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Supported a comment by Theresa M on
Main Library Campus
2 years ago
Theresa M
It is too big. Do NOT move The Cabin. That is an important and living part of the City’s history and fabric.
It is too big. Do NOT move The Cabin. That is an important and living part of the City’s history and fabric.
I find the City's responses routinely superficial. The Library and the stadium will be the largest taxpayer-funded municipal projects in our City's history (the airport's capital projects are paid for by user fees and Airport Revenue Bonds) yet City Hall will not allow a vote? And puts up a defense that efforts to force a vote on large City and CCDC expenditures are anti-Boise? Nothing could be the truth: Citizens' desires to have a say in these huge projects--that they will pay for extensively--is pro-Boise.