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Supported a comment by Christine King on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 12 months ago
Supported a comment by Thomas J Beatty on
Main Library Campus
2 years, 12 months ago
Thomas J Beatty
And I'm a little disappointed that Parking wasn't part of the original design concept. In fact, I think that the design went looking for a library, rather than the library - and it's requirements ( the Cabin, Parking, etc) - went looking for a design.
And I'm a little disappointed that Parking wasn't part of the original design concept. In fact, I think that the design went looking for a library, rather than the library - and it's requirements ( the Cabin, Parking, etc) - went looking for a design.
Supported a comment by Diane Ronayne on
Main Library Campus
3 years ago
Diane Ronayne
Thanks for announcing the public hearing. It should read "A public hearing on the initiative PROCESS OPTIONS will be held... ." Many of us will be watching to see what the council decides to do!
Thanks for announcing the public hearing. It should read "A public hearing on the initiative PROCESS OPTIONS will be held... ." Many of us will be watching to see what the council decides to do!
Supported a comment by E.B. Schofield on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 2 months ago
E.B. Schofield
City of Boise - No new taxes and no increase in taxes? Can you guarantee that without shuffling and spinning numbers? Boise City has increased taxes at the statutorily allowed 3% per year, year over year. I have yet to read any City financial reports or watched any budget sessions where the City opts for NOT taking the 3% increase. If such exist, please provide an answer as to where I can view the proof that taxes have not increased in the past, and therefore will not increase in the future. Adding a $85-$103 million dollar project and saying this will not increase taxes is fooling yourself, but not the public. A "new" tax - if in the form of a levy - would actually be a postitive view point, as this would mean the citizens were fully included and voted in support for a project and the debt they will be obligated to pay.
City of Boise - No new taxes and no increase in taxes? Can you guarantee that without shuffling and spinning numbers? Boise City has increased taxes at the statutorily allowed 3% per year, year over year. I have yet to read any City financial reports or watched any budget sessions where the City opts for NOT taking the 3% increase. If such exist, please provide an answer as to where I can view the proof that taxes have not increased in the past, and therefore will not increase in the future. Adding a $85-$103 million dollar project and saying this will not increase taxes is fooling yourself, but not the public. A "new" tax - if in the form of a levy - would actually be a postitive view point, as this would mean the citizens were fully included and voted in support for a project and the debt they will be obligated to pay.
Commented on Main Library Campus
3 years, 2 months ago
More and more property taxes are diverted into CCDC by taking larger and larger swaths of our city as urban renewal districts. Values are rising regardless of URDs. What would our property tax bills look like with no URDs in place?
Commented on Main Library Campus
3 years, 2 months ago
City of Boise - no new taxes? How will the $35 million in lease financing payments be paid? How will the parts being cut out now for “value engineering” be paid for in future years when they are added (events center, arts & history if cut)? What is the 5year estimate for increases to maintenance, operations, and personnel? What guarantee do we have that this project will not meet “unexpected cost overruns” like the recent bond-supported fire station? There is no reason not to give us a vote on a library bond. Let us vote!
Supported a comment by April LOrange on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 2 months ago
April LOrange
Okay, I think we've about accomplished what we can accomplish through online discourse. We all see the questions that never get answered. I think we need to speak to the planning department in person, and based on that, begin bending the ear of individual councilpeople. I'm going to try and schedule a face-to-face with the appropriate person in the planning department, whoever that turns out to be. I have a list of questions and concerns (already posted elsewhere on this board) I'll take with me. I've added bird strikes to it. I'll report back with any findings.
Any of y'all know how to contact folks privately through this board? If we're going to approach city councilpeople individually, it might be useful to coordinate, but really doesn't belong on this board.
Okay, I think we've about accomplished what we can accomplish through online discourse. We all see the questions that never get answered. I think we need to speak to the planning department in person, and based on that, begin bending the ear of individual councilpeople. I'm going to try and schedule a face-to-face with the appropriate person in the planning department, whoever that turns out to be. I have a list of questions and concerns (already posted elsewhere on this board) I'll take with me. I've added bird strikes to it. I'll report back with any findings.
Any of y'all know how to contact folks privately through this board? If we're going to approach city councilpeople individually, it might be useful to coordinate, but really doesn't belong on this board.
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 2 months ago
Diane Plastino Graves
I find the City's responses routinely superficial. The Library and the stadium will be the largest taxpayer-funded municipal projects in our City's history (the airport's capital projects are paid for by user fees and Airport Revenue Bonds) yet City Hall will not allow a vote? And puts up a defense that efforts to force a vote on large City and CCDC expenditures are anti-Boise? Nothing could be the truth: Citizens' desires to have a say in these huge projects--that they will pay for extensively--is pro-Boise.
I find the City's responses routinely superficial. The Library and the stadium will be the largest taxpayer-funded municipal projects in our City's history (the airport's capital projects are paid for by user fees and Airport Revenue Bonds) yet City Hall will not allow a vote? And puts up a defense that efforts to force a vote on large City and CCDC expenditures are anti-Boise? Nothing could be the truth: Citizens' desires to have a say in these huge projects--that they will pay for extensively--is pro-Boise.
Supported a comment by Christine King on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 3 months ago
Christine King
Oh my gosh, Diane, that is important information, thank you. I have family in Missoula, MT., one is a librarian. They are also building a new library, there has been some controversy, but the city has included the community in every aspect, including passing a bond vote. A very significant detail is the costs have been locked in for quite a while, I have no doubt Boise is not going to be able to keep cost within the margin they promised.
Oh my gosh, Diane, that is important information, thank you. I have family in Missoula, MT., one is a librarian. They are also building a new library, there has been some controversy, but the city has included the community in every aspect, including passing a bond vote. A very significant detail is the costs have been locked in for quite a while, I have no doubt Boise is not going to be able to keep cost within the margin they promised.
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 3 months ago
Diane Plastino Graves
And it is important to note that the Salt Lake City and Seattle libraries, often touted as similar to Boise's plan, both received a bond levy vote from the citizens, which has been denied to date by our City Hall. By my count, this and the stadium will be the largest taxpayer-funded projects in the City of Boise' history. If we vote for fire stations, foothills preservation, and school bonds, we deserve the right to vote on these extremely large projects.
And it is important to note that the Salt Lake City and Seattle libraries, often touted as similar to Boise's plan, both received a bond levy vote from the citizens, which has been denied to date by our City Hall. By my count, this and the stadium will be the largest taxpayer-funded projects in the City of Boise' history. If we vote for fire stations, foothills preservation, and school bonds, we deserve the right to vote on these extremely large projects.
Supported a comment by Christine King on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 3 months ago
Christine King
Exactly, April. Many have noted concerns they have with the design and cost of this library, yet our civic input is being considered annoying complaints. I have yet to see the city address these issues, only "we are working on it". Right, the city didn't have it together to announce that The Cabin would be moved until the day before the plan was revealed, they were 50% low on relocation expenses and changed the new location how many times. I have no faith in our city planners, none. It's all about a world-famous architect, look at Salt Lake, we need a library to reflect our fabulous Boise. I think our current library is "nice", the goal seemingly is not an attractive, functional structure, the purpose of a library, but glitz and ego. Form follows function in Boise resulted in JUMP.
Exactly, April. Many have noted concerns they have with the design and cost of this library, yet our civic input is being considered annoying complaints. I have yet to see the city address these issues, only "we are working on it". Right, the city didn't have it together to announce that The Cabin would be moved until the day before the plan was revealed, they were 50% low on relocation expenses and changed the new location how many times. I have no faith in our city planners, none. It's all about a world-famous architect, look at Salt Lake, we need a library to reflect our fabulous Boise. I think our current library is "nice", the goal seemingly is not an attractive, functional structure, the purpose of a library, but glitz and ego. Form follows function in Boise resulted in JUMP.
Supported a comment by April LOrange on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 3 months ago
April LOrange
We aren't complaining about *a* new library. We're complaining about *this particular design*. What is functional in Salt Lake City won't be here, due to differences in climate and orientation. What's beautiful in Salt Lake City, where they've built quite a bit from pale stone, sticks out like a store thumb in an area made of red brick. Accept that we aren't anti-LIBRARY. Meet us halfway, and let's talk about how to meet the needs of our community at large, not the able-bodied folks who drive to Salt Lake City in particular.
We aren't complaining about *a* new library. We're complaining about *this particular design*. What is functional in Salt Lake City won't be here, due to differences in climate and orientation. What's beautiful in Salt Lake City, where they've built quite a bit from pale stone, sticks out like a store thumb in an area made of red brick. Accept that we aren't anti-LIBRARY. Meet us halfway, and let's talk about how to meet the needs of our community at large, not the able-bodied folks who drive to Salt Lake City in particular.
Supported a comment by E.B. Schofield on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 3 months ago
E.B. Schofield
Complaints versus serious concerns and unanswered questions regarding the true costs and the impact on all taxpayers are two different issues. Although supporters of this project state there are no new taxes, that does not mean your existing taxes will not be increased to cover this very long-term debt, including an as yet unkown amount of transaction fees and interest for the Lease Financing component.
Complaints versus serious concerns and unanswered questions regarding the true costs and the impact on all taxpayers are two different issues. Although supporters of this project state there are no new taxes, that does not mean your existing taxes will not be increased to cover this very long-term debt, including an as yet unkown amount of transaction fees and interest for the Lease Financing component.
Commented on Main Library Campus
3 years, 3 months ago
So important to distinguish budget vs true cost. And extremely alarming at this point in the process to still not see any semblance of projected increases to personnel, maintenance, operations - additional direct burdens on already overtaxed residents. We can not afford this proposal!
Supported a comment by E.B. Schofield on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 3 months ago
E.B. Schofield
Library Meeting Minutes and City Council Work Sessions in 2017 show $40 million based on a combination remodel and addition to the existing structure, which would expand current space, and add space for the Arts & History Dept. as well as event space. With parking structure included, the budget increased to $50-60M. These budget figures were prior to Safdie gaining the City's attention. Since then, the numbers have ramped up. In addition, "budget" is not the same as "cost" at the end of the day.
Library Meeting Minutes and City Council Work Sessions in 2017 show $40 million based on a combination remodel and addition to the existing structure, which would expand current space, and add space for the Arts & History Dept. as well as event space. With parking structure included, the budget increased to $50-60M. These budget figures were prior to Safdie gaining the City's attention. Since then, the numbers have ramped up. In addition, "budget" is not the same as "cost" at the end of the day.
Supported a comment by Christine King on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 3 months ago
Christine King
Yes, and how will these mitigating practices address other concerns about potential glare to drivers, heating and cooling costs, and potential damage to materials from exposure to bright sunlight?
Yes, and how will these mitigating practices address other concerns about potential glare to drivers, heating and cooling costs, and potential damage to materials from exposure to bright sunlight?
Supported a comment by E.B. Schofield on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 3 months ago
E.B. Schofield
City of Boise - Page 4 of the December 13, 2018 Library Meeting Minutes say, "The bird strike issue noted in the previous public comment phase has been resolved and just needs communicated to the public. Two options were provided by Safdi Architects and need to be costed." Why not provide that information ASAP - citizens want to know.
City of Boise - Page 4 of the December 13, 2018 Library Meeting Minutes say, "The bird strike issue noted in the previous public comment phase has been resolved and just needs communicated to the public. Two options were provided by Safdi Architects and need to be costed." Why not provide that information ASAP - citizens want to know.
Supported a comment by E.B. Schofield on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 3 months ago
E.B. Schofield
)1) "Balanced" will require taking the 3% statutorily allowed budget increase every year - otherwise the funds will not be balanced. The budget presentation at the City Council Work Session on Jan. 22 acknowledges this requirement. (2) The project budget may be $80-85M but the project cost will not be. Even if the event center is delayed and major VE modifications are made, once you factor in interest and issuance/transaction fees over the life of the CCDC bonds and lease financing, the true cost will be millions more! (3) Three of the four funding sources will be directly paid via taxation of citizens and businesses.
)1) "Balanced" will require taking the 3% statutorily allowed budget increase every year - otherwise the funds will not be balanced. The budget presentation at the City Council Work Session on Jan. 22 acknowledges this requirement. (2) The project budget may be $80-85M but the project cost will not be. Even if the event center is delayed and major VE modifications are made, once you factor in interest and issuance/transaction fees over the life of the CCDC bonds and lease financing, the true cost will be millions more! (3) Three of the four funding sources will be directly paid via taxation of citizens and businesses.
Supported a comment by John Bertram on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 4 months ago
John Bertram
Why did the mayor and council sign a long term 45-year lease with Rocky Mountain Development (sub lease to Biomart) on the adjacent city property purchased in 2002 for 1.5 million for library expansion? This 1.3-acre site was selected by CCDC in 2004 as a location for a parking garage. Then in 2011, without the support of the Library Board, the city undertook a long-term lease that locks up the site for 60 years with options. Imagine if the architect had this city land in play there would have been room to keep the CABIN in place and create city owned parking to serve the public.
Why did the mayor and council sign a long term 45-year lease with Rocky Mountain Development (sub lease to Biomart) on the adjacent city property purchased in 2002 for 1.5 million for library expansion? This 1.3-acre site was selected by CCDC in 2004 as a location for a parking garage. Then in 2011, without the support of the Library Board, the city undertook a long-term lease that locks up the site for 60 years with options. Imagine if the architect had this city land in play there would have been room to keep the CABIN in place and create city owned parking to serve the public.
Supported a comment by Johnie Thompson on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 4 months ago
Johnie Thompson
We are being "steamrolled! We elect them to represent us & give careful consideration to what we want & then we get what they or someone else in city government tells them they want. The answer is to VOTE for some one that WILL represent us!
We are being "steamrolled! We elect them to represent us & give careful consideration to what we want & then we get what they or someone else in city government tells them they want. The answer is to VOTE for some one that WILL represent us!
Supported a comment by Gary Zimmerman on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 4 months ago
Gary Zimmerman
Thank you. I am also very tired of the city's intentionally misleading comments that do not typically address the posted concern, and add only positives to the city's position. I feel steamrolled by those City responses.
Thank you. I am also very tired of the city's intentionally misleading comments that do not typically address the posted concern, and add only positives to the city's position. I feel steamrolled by those City responses.
Supported a comment by Pam Brewer on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 5 months ago
Pam Brewer
When are the next design open houses? The city has been awfully quiet except for approving arch fee?
When are the next design open houses? The city has been awfully quiet except for approving arch fee?
Supported a comment by Alex Jones on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 5 months ago
Alex Jones
Sure has been quiet. Accountability requires two way communication city folks.
Sure has been quiet. Accountability requires two way communication city folks.
Commented on Main Library Campus
3 years, 5 months ago
The timeline tab was recently updated and now shows Spring 2019 for next public input. The wording for that also changed. It used to say something to the effect of giving input on how well architect had incorporated feedback from July open houses. It now says input on further refinement of design.
Supported a comment by Pamela B. on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 5 months ago
Pamela B.
Boise isn't just downtown. We need libraries in West Boise. Where is the outreach for the other Boise residents?
Boise isn't just downtown. We need libraries in West Boise. Where is the outreach for the other Boise residents?
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 5 months ago
Tammy Bixby
Thank you for making that clear. This is truly in my opinion the problem we are all having with this particular project. The city is taking too much of a high hand, not allowing real public opinion, not being truly transparent and not acting in good faith to its Community residence nor anybody
Thank you for making that clear. This is truly in my opinion the problem we are all having with this particular project. The city is taking too much of a high hand, not allowing real public opinion, not being truly transparent and not acting in good faith to its Community residence nor anybody
Commented on Main Library Campus
3 years, 5 months ago
No. Our $543,000 bought us one conceptual design from Safdie, who has now been hired with a $11.1 million+ contract to proceed with that one design. The plus is for the future events center, which is now on hold because for $85 million we can't afford it. Parking will be purchased with city money from a private developer when they demolish the Foothills school. There will be no true on-site parking; even the disabled parking will be in the area adjacent to Biomark, essentially across 8th Street from the proposed new building. This concept needs to go back to the drawing board after a public financing vote. Renovate don't demolish, keep The Cabin in its location, incorporate true onsite parking. These objectives are achievable, and if not by this architectvthen hire a different one with a lower price tag who can keep within the original $45 million proposed project budget.
Supported a comment by Thomas J Beatty on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 5 months ago
Thomas J Beatty
Is there a design for the public to review and consider (including costs) that does incorporate onsite parking (not near Biomark or the Foothills School site, but truly onsite) so that we can see what has already been seen by City officials? Possibly two alternatives: one with the Arts & History Dept accommodated, and one keeping them where they are or moving them to alternate facilities. In this way, I think we would feel part of the process, and not just blessing what has already been decided.
Is there a design for the public to review and consider (including costs) that does incorporate onsite parking (not near Biomark or the Foothills School site, but truly onsite) so that we can see what has already been seen by City officials? Possibly two alternatives: one with the Arts & History Dept accommodated, and one keeping them where they are or moving them to alternate facilities. In this way, I think we would feel part of the process, and not just blessing what has already been decided.
Supported a comment by April LOrange on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 6 months ago
April LOrange
I remain concerned about the arrangements for disabled parking. Even the inadequate amount of on-site parking loojs far enough away from the main entrance that we who are mobility-impaired but not in wheelchairs will be entirely unable to use the facility. Every time I raise the point, the only response is crickets.
I remain concerned about the arrangements for disabled parking. Even the inadequate amount of on-site parking loojs far enough away from the main entrance that we who are mobility-impaired but not in wheelchairs will be entirely unable to use the facility. Every time I raise the point, the only response is crickets.
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 6 months ago
Tammy Bixby
Here's the problem the city has led the architect to believe that we don't care about it according to Architects own words we shouldn't care
Here's the problem the city has led the architect to believe that we don't care about it according to Architects own words we shouldn't care
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 6 months ago
Diane Plastino Graves
The election for Mayor, and for McLean, Clegg, and Ludwig is 11/5/19. Recuit and support candidates with another viewpoint. That is the only resolution to all these issues.
The election for Mayor, and for McLean, Clegg, and Ludwig is 11/5/19. Recuit and support candidates with another viewpoint. That is the only resolution to all these issues.
Supported a comment by April LOrange on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 6 months ago
April LOrange
I agree with M. Thomas about the city reading all the comments. I'm still waiting for a single reply to any of the points I've raised. They only reply when they have a pat answer they feel makes them look good. Real "additional comments and questions" are ignored.
I agree with M. Thomas about the city reading all the comments. I'm still waiting for a single reply to any of the points I've raised. They only reply when they have a pat answer they feel makes them look good. Real "additional comments and questions" are ignored.
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 6 months ago
Tammy Bixby
The bottom line is the price is ridiculous over-the-top just amazingly out of touch with what and who Boise is .
The bottom line is the price is ridiculous over-the-top just amazingly out of touch with what and who Boise is .
Commented on Main Library Campus
3 years, 6 months ago
Far too late, and expect the same poorly worded and slanted feedback questions designed to elicit the "positive sentiment" the City is using to justify this project.
Commented on Main Library Campus
3 years, 6 months ago
Well said! This project requires significant funds that the City does not have therefore causing an assumption of debt, and the people should have a vote on if and how to proceed. Bypassing citizen vote in favor of long-term lease financing is not acceptable!
Supported a comment by Alex Jones on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 6 months ago
Alex Jones
Can someone please explain why the city of Boise signed a 45 year lease in 2011 on the property right across 8th St and River St? The library expansion has been on the books since the early 2000s so why did the city give away 1.3 acres to such a long lease? Having this land incorporated into the new library design would alleviate the shoehorn effect and allow space for parking, preservation of the Cabin and the important riparian habitat along the Boise River. This whole library plan needs to go back to the drawing board, because, in spite of the current political climate, use of public funds requires public input and approval. That means open discussion, cost analyses and a public vote on the project. CCDC is not the entity that gets to make up the rules as it goes along anymore.
Can someone please explain why the city of Boise signed a 45 year lease in 2011 on the property right across 8th St and River St? The library expansion has been on the books since the early 2000s so why did the city give away 1.3 acres to such a long lease? Having this land incorporated into the new library design would alleviate the shoehorn effect and allow space for parking, preservation of the Cabin and the important riparian habitat along the Boise River. This whole library plan needs to go back to the drawing board, because, in spite of the current political climate, use of public funds requires public input and approval. That means open discussion, cost analyses and a public vote on the project. CCDC is not the entity that gets to make up the rules as it goes along anymore.
Commented on Main Library Campus
3 years, 6 months ago
$11,185,236
Let that number sink in. $11,185,236 that was buried in a consent item of a nearly 2000 page agenda packet. $11,185,236 is the amount that Boise City Council just approved for Safdie to continue with architectural services on the proposed $103 million library campus.
We are reeling in an affordable housing crisis. We are not flush with cash. We do not have the funding for this project just sitting around.
Consider this in another perspective. The City is currently contemplating setting up a Land Trust with $20 million - $10 million from City resources, $10 million from philanthropy. While they think about moves like this to address affordable housing, they move full steam ahead on an amenity project by approving an $11.1 million expenditure for architectural plans. Oh, plus a minimum $650,000 to move a historically registered building (The Cabin) to a new site to make way for river views.
Shame on you, City of Boise. Shame on you, Mayor Dave Bieter. Shame, shame on you, Council members Lisa E. Sánchez, Lauren McLean, TJ Thomson, Elaine M Clegg, Holli Woodings, Scott Ludwig.
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 6 months ago
Diane Plastino Graves
No one knew Capitol Boulevard was going to be a significant spot, Mr. Safdie said last night? The early settlers congregated around it with their beautiful homes on Grove and Front and Broad, abutting Capitol Boulevard. The Statehouse gave prominence to our own grand boulevard on one end and the Depot on the other. And the historical museum, the art museum, and the cabin, reflecting our history in forestry, were put in the most acknowledged, important site in the City. The insensitive and unsympathetic nature of this man’s comments toward our community take my breath away. He, who demeans the heartfelt perspective of many, should not decide what goes on this beautiful site. I'd say this is a "failed search" for an architect and a building, and it should be started afresh. How about a mass-timbered building for the City of Trees? I know we are fast becoming the City of Steel, Concrete and Prefab, but let's not add to that dismay with a significant taxpayer-funded public building.
No one knew Capitol Boulevard was going to be a significant spot, Mr. Safdie said last night? The early settlers congregated around it with their beautiful homes on Grove and Front and Broad, abutting Capitol Boulevard. The Statehouse gave prominence to our own grand boulevard on one end and the Depot on the other. And the historical museum, the art museum, and the cabin, reflecting our history in forestry, were put in the most acknowledged, important site in the City. The insensitive and unsympathetic nature of this man’s comments toward our community take my breath away. He, who demeans the heartfelt perspective of many, should not decide what goes on this beautiful site. I'd say this is a "failed search" for an architect and a building, and it should be started afresh. How about a mass-timbered building for the City of Trees? I know we are fast becoming the City of Steel, Concrete and Prefab, but let's not add to that dismay with a significant taxpayer-funded public building.
Supported a comment by Suzanne Troje on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 6 months ago
Suzanne Troje
When is the next "public input" opportunity?
When is the next "public input" opportunity?
Supported a comment by Connie Bollinger on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 6 months ago
Connie Bollinger
I agree completely with Bonnie Zimmerman's comments on Nov. 20. The proposed library is too big and too expensive. Smaller amounts of money should be spent on branch libraries like Bown or Cole and Ustick, which have better access and lots of free parking.
I agree completely with Bonnie Zimmerman's comments on Nov. 20. The proposed library is too big and too expensive. Smaller amounts of money should be spent on branch libraries like Bown or Cole and Ustick, which have better access and lots of free parking.
Commented on Main Library Campus
3 years, 6 months ago
It is alarming that we have not been presented with at minimum a 5-year forecast of the increase to maintenance & operation and personnel costs that this proposal would cause.
Commented on Main Library Campus
3 years, 6 months ago
Well said!
Excerpts from FY 2019 budget showing the City's choice to disregard their own prioritization process in favor of this project:
p. 16 "As part of the due diligence process, capital projects are subject to prioritization and must compete for limited resources."
p. 139 "In FY 2017, staff developed a process for prioritizing capital projects, however for the FY 2019 capital plan this process was not employed..."
Also interesting that the 57% vote on the 2006 proposed library bond is so close to the "56% favorable sentiment" reading from the July 2018 open house comments. I was assured by the Library Director during the open house that this library project would not move forward without an "overwhelmingly favorable" sentiment. A sentiment just slightly lower than vote for a failed bond attempt hardly seems "overwhelmingly favorable."
Excerpts from FY 2019 budget showing the City's choice to disregard their own prioritization process in favor of this project:
p. 16 "As part of the due diligence process, capital projects are subject to prioritization and must compete for limited resources."
p. 139 "In FY 2017, staff developed a process for prioritizing capital projects, however for the FY 2019 capital plan this process was not employed..."
Also interesting that the 57% vote on the 2006 proposed library bond is so close to the "56% favorable sentiment" reading from the July 2018 open house comments. I was assured by the Library Director during the open house that this library project would not move forward without an "overwhelmingly favorable" sentiment. A sentiment just slightly lower than vote for a failed bond attempt hardly seems "overwhelmingly favorable."
Supported a comment by E.B. Schofield on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 6 months ago
E.B. Schofield
Boise really cannot afford this, yet another $650,000 to relocate a piece of history, when the Public Safety Bond is 100% over budget, this library project will drive the Capital Fund into a negative position (as stated in the 2019 Annual Budget), City Staff personnel costs rise every year, and areas of the City lack equal tax supported municipal services.
Boise really cannot afford this, yet another $650,000 to relocate a piece of history, when the Public Safety Bond is 100% over budget, this library project will drive the Capital Fund into a negative position (as stated in the 2019 Annual Budget), City Staff personnel costs rise every year, and areas of the City lack equal tax supported municipal services.
Supported a comment by E.B. Schofield on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 6 months ago
E.B. Schofield
The 2018 City of Boise Citizen Survey data clearly show this type of project as a lesser priority, at this point in time. • Survey had nine (9) key areas representing different functions of government, ranked on a scale of 0 – 20. • Community services, which include libraries, came in 7th with a score of 8.82. This low ranking may be due to the fact that the City recently spent $8.5 million on the Harris Ranch/Southeast branch library in 2017, and that library expenditures historically tend not to rank high for Boise citizens, per the 57% vote on the 2006 proposed library bond.
The 2018 City of Boise Citizen Survey data clearly show this type of project as a lesser priority, at this point in time. • Survey had nine (9) key areas representing different functions of government, ranked on a scale of 0 – 20. • Community services, which include libraries, came in 7th with a score of 8.82. This low ranking may be due to the fact that the City recently spent $8.5 million on the Harris Ranch/Southeast branch library in 2017, and that library expenditures historically tend not to rank high for Boise citizens, per the 57% vote on the 2006 proposed library bond.
Supported a comment by Sheila Robertson on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 6 months ago
Sheila Robertson
For 85+ million I'm sure you can integrate the Cabin and the Library into a complex that would fit the needs of both. The two should be complementary and will careful thought to the outside design a place for outdoor readings and summer youth classes can be integrated. Your real problem will be parking!!
For 85+ million I'm sure you can integrate the Cabin and the Library into a complex that would fit the needs of both. The two should be complementary and will careful thought to the outside design a place for outdoor readings and summer youth classes can be integrated. Your real problem will be parking!!
Supported a comment by Christine King on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 6 months ago
Christine King
If the city had been concerned about "balancing the needs of . . . the greater community good", we would have been presented with options BEFORE this plan had been unveiled. The city would have known costs to relocate the cabin in order to still be used by The Cabin would be closer to twice the amount the city originally pitched. You are correct that this proposal is out of balance--it is all about glossy magazines touting Boise as the nation's convention destination and Bieter's ego. Exactly why the baseball stadium was originally planned so close to downtown rather than the more manageable location now being considered.
If the city had been concerned about "balancing the needs of . . . the greater community good", we would have been presented with options BEFORE this plan had been unveiled. The city would have known costs to relocate the cabin in order to still be used by The Cabin would be closer to twice the amount the city originally pitched. You are correct that this proposal is out of balance--it is all about glossy magazines touting Boise as the nation's convention destination and Bieter's ego. Exactly why the baseball stadium was originally planned so close to downtown rather than the more manageable location now being considered.
Commented on Main Library Campus
3 years, 7 months ago
Well said! If city leaders were truly invested in maintaining the Cabin's historic designation, there would be no talk of relocating or even encroaching on the Cabin's current space. This entire library campus proposal is out of balance.
Supported a comment by Alex Jones on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 7 months ago
Alex Jones
Of course the Cabin is at risk! The Cabin belongs to the people of Boise...not the literary society that has made the building home for 20+ years... Stop whitewashing this issue. The Cabin needs to stay where it is and the new library design needs to accommodate the historic and VERY local significance of that structure. City of Boise seems committed to the avarice and ambition of developers and their "monetization of things" above any true desire to preserve and protect what has made this city viable. It was the warring factions in past Boise politics that made the downtown a "ghost town" and we are seeing this play out again... the library design is overbearing and the fantasy of Kevin Booer and David Bieter. Lets get some perspective and recognize that the populace is "woke."
Of course the Cabin is at risk! The Cabin belongs to the people of Boise...not the literary society that has made the building home for 20+ years... Stop whitewashing this issue. The Cabin needs to stay where it is and the new library design needs to accommodate the historic and VERY local significance of that structure. City of Boise seems committed to the avarice and ambition of developers and their "monetization of things" above any true desire to preserve and protect what has made this city viable. It was the warring factions in past Boise politics that made the downtown a "ghost town" and we are seeing this play out again... the library design is overbearing and the fantasy of Kevin Booer and David Bieter. Lets get some perspective and recognize that the populace is "woke."
Supported a comment by Sharon Sproul on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 7 months ago
Sharon Sproul
Nothing! We don't need it. Stop the spending Mayor Beiter. You are always raising our taxes for things we don't want or need. You are taxing us out of our homes.
Nothing! We don't need it. Stop the spending Mayor Beiter. You are always raising our taxes for things we don't want or need. You are taxing us out of our homes.
Supported a comment by Ranelle Nabring on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 7 months ago
Ranelle Nabring
Wow, I did not realize that The Cabin had recently undergone ADA upgrades. That's not something to overlook! I really think the design undermines a piece of history and overlooks what many Boiseans hold to be dear about our downtown core. Urban Renewal all over again! Save this jewel and piece of our history!
Wow, I did not realize that The Cabin had recently undergone ADA upgrades. That's not something to overlook! I really think the design undermines a piece of history and overlooks what many Boiseans hold to be dear about our downtown core. Urban Renewal all over again! Save this jewel and piece of our history!
Supported a comment by Pamela B. on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 7 months ago
Pamela B.
I haven't seen any information of how we're going to pay for this in the long run. Such a big beautiful building needs to be maintained. Salaries need to be paid. Gardeners need to maintain all the new plants. I'm very concerned about how much this is going to cost after it's built.
I haven't seen any information of how we're going to pay for this in the long run. Such a big beautiful building needs to be maintained. Salaries need to be paid. Gardeners need to maintain all the new plants. I'm very concerned about how much this is going to cost after it's built.
Supported a comment by Frances Capell on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 7 months ago
Frances Capell
I am not impressed. It is too large for Boise, plus a more modest design would leave funds for salaries and utilities. So in summary, too expensive, too grandiose, too much glass, too many redundancies, not enough parking, does not preserve the Log Cabin. The public of Boise should have input into the design of PUBLIC buildings.
I am not impressed. It is too large for Boise, plus a more modest design would leave funds for salaries and utilities. So in summary, too expensive, too grandiose, too much glass, too many redundancies, not enough parking, does not preserve the Log Cabin. The public of Boise should have input into the design of PUBLIC buildings.
Supported a comment by Diane Ronayne on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 7 months ago
Diane Ronayne
You obviously have built many buildings on bare land. Have you ever built a building that incorporates and honors another building that was already standing on that land? Is there a way the spirit of the Boise library--historical archive, performance center and materials repository--that you and City Council envision can include the living history of the Log Cabin, too?
You obviously have built many buildings on bare land. Have you ever built a building that incorporates and honors another building that was already standing on that land? Is there a way the spirit of the Boise library--historical archive, performance center and materials repository--that you and City Council envision can include the living history of the Log Cabin, too?
Commented on Main Library Campus
3 years, 7 months ago
Agree completely. I was very disappointed by Safdie's presentation all around.
Commented on Main Library Campus
3 years, 7 months ago
Agree. We need to see a lot more information about the funding and long-term m&o and personnel costs.
Commented on Main Library Campus
3 years, 7 months ago
If we are going to copy SLC, let's start with their process. Bring a funding levy to the people first. Then offer multiple design concepts from multiple architectural firms for consideration. Truly work with residents and listen to patrons.
Commented on Main Library Campus
3 years, 7 months ago
Great comments. I wish City Council and the Library planning committee would take the time to read through all of the comments here.
Supported a comment by bonnie zimmerman on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 7 months ago
bonnie zimmerman
How many of the in favor of boise spending millions of dollars to highlight boise downtown will ever go to the new library. I live downtown boise. I will go to the library a couple of times a month. My friends and family do not like to come downtown and pay for parking. People from out of town may visit once. We have a library, a history museum, an art gallery, and many locations for conferences. Boise is already a beautiful place, we don’t need someone else’s idea of what we need and what they think is glamorous.we definitely don’t need multiple years of construction ruining the best part of boise, the green belt. What will it look like in a couple of years when we run out of money. It is already too expensive to live in boise,
How many of the in favor of boise spending millions of dollars to highlight boise downtown will ever go to the new library. I live downtown boise. I will go to the library a couple of times a month. My friends and family do not like to come downtown and pay for parking. People from out of town may visit once. We have a library, a history museum, an art gallery, and many locations for conferences. Boise is already a beautiful place, we don’t need someone else’s idea of what we need and what they think is glamorous.we definitely don’t need multiple years of construction ruining the best part of boise, the green belt. What will it look like in a couple of years when we run out of money. It is already too expensive to live in boise,
Supported a comment by Scott K. on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 7 months ago
Scott K.
Absolutely not. Where is the access to the Greenbelt? Where are elements of the Boise River reflected in the design? It's a lot of concrete and glass with beige walls - emphasis on the walls, concrete or glass that separate individuals from access to both the river and Greenbelt. . The Boise River, to me, is free flowing, wild, clean, and green.
Absolutely not. Where is the access to the Greenbelt? Where are elements of the Boise River reflected in the design? It's a lot of concrete and glass with beige walls - emphasis on the walls, concrete or glass that separate individuals from access to both the river and Greenbelt. . The Boise River, to me, is free flowing, wild, clean, and green.
Commented on Main Library Campus
3 years, 7 months ago
Expansion of the adjacent South 8th Street Historic District would provide protection for these buildings. This area is already included in a CCDC urban renewal district. The two district designations often overlap in the downtown area.
Supported a comment by David Klinger on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 7 months ago
David Klinger
Left unspoken in the City of Boise’s reply to this question is the fact that “working with an adjacent property on plans for a parking garage” translates into tearing down another historic structure across the street that currently houses an elementary school (the Foothills School) to build yet another parking garage in our downtown core that’s sterile and goes dead at night. The “City of Trees” must not become “The City of Parking Garages”.
Left unspoken in the City of Boise’s reply to this question is the fact that “working with an adjacent property on plans for a parking garage” translates into tearing down another historic structure across the street that currently houses an elementary school (the Foothills School) to build yet another parking garage in our downtown core that’s sterile and goes dead at night. The “City of Trees” must not become “The City of Parking Garages”.
Supported a comment by Thomas J Beatty on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 7 months ago
Thomas J Beatty
I think an on-site parking option was prematurely dismissed, and would strongly suggest that the City go back to the designer with this requirement. You might also want to suggest that the re-done design be more in keeping with the surrounding buildings and museums. While the current proposal is nice to look at, that feeling will wear off fast. Surely building onto the current structure would be more practical - and even less costly.
I think an on-site parking option was prematurely dismissed, and would strongly suggest that the City go back to the designer with this requirement. You might also want to suggest that the re-done design be more in keeping with the surrounding buildings and museums. While the current proposal is nice to look at, that feeling will wear off fast. Surely building onto the current structure would be more practical - and even less costly.
Supported a comment by Mary Wallace Dragone on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 7 months ago
Mary Wallace Dragone
The existing library is great and is paid for! This new space is expensive and appalling. Progress is not always better!
The existing library is great and is paid for! This new space is expensive and appalling. Progress is not always better!
Supported a comment by Mary Wallace Dragone on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 7 months ago
Mary Wallace Dragone
Another cost issue is that the cabin was just brought up to ADA standards to the tune of many thousands of tax dollars.....why destroy or move it? I am for historic preservation....I can't believe we are not just updating or adding on to the current library.....
Another cost issue is that the cabin was just brought up to ADA standards to the tune of many thousands of tax dollars.....why destroy or move it? I am for historic preservation....I can't believe we are not just updating or adding on to the current library.....
Supported a comment by Mary Wallace Dragone on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 7 months ago
Mary Wallace Dragone
It is just too big....it seems cost prohibitive to maintain....how much will maintenance cost on a building that size? I read the original study from 2014 and the original cost was 45 million....now it is 85mil....how high will it go? We have performance space in Boise ...there are already public meeting rooms in the library and I am probably not going to be thrilled to use the automated retrieval system, aesthetically unpleasing to me, but I am a book person.....
It is just too big....it seems cost prohibitive to maintain....how much will maintenance cost on a building that size? I read the original study from 2014 and the original cost was 45 million....now it is 85mil....how high will it go? We have performance space in Boise ...there are already public meeting rooms in the library and I am probably not going to be thrilled to use the automated retrieval system, aesthetically unpleasing to me, but I am a book person.....
Supported a comment by Paula Benson on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 7 months ago
Paula Benson
I was quite surprised to hear Mr. Safdie refer to those in Boise who are concerned about the fate of the cabin as being unnecessarily "excited" about it. He states that he thought we should, or would, be more concerned about the money. He says that "as an outsider" he has determined that we should not care about the cabin because no one will remember where it was in a year. Is it appropriate to dictate what we should think and what we should care about as a city? I appreciate his expertise in architecture but I am dismayed at his tone-deaf approach to legitimate concerns voiced about the moving of a historic building. He may not have meant to but his remarks, as can be seen on video, seem dismissive and patronizing. Respectfully, his vision should be our vision not the other way around.
I was quite surprised to hear Mr. Safdie refer to those in Boise who are concerned about the fate of the cabin as being unnecessarily "excited" about it. He states that he thought we should, or would, be more concerned about the money. He says that "as an outsider" he has determined that we should not care about the cabin because no one will remember where it was in a year. Is it appropriate to dictate what we should think and what we should care about as a city? I appreciate his expertise in architecture but I am dismayed at his tone-deaf approach to legitimate concerns voiced about the moving of a historic building. He may not have meant to but his remarks, as can be seen on video, seem dismissive and patronizing. Respectfully, his vision should be our vision not the other way around.
Commented on Main Library Campus
3 years, 7 months ago
Al public feedback is available towards the bottom of this article.
https://boisedev.com/news/2018/08/07/boise-public-library-the-cabin-anne-frank-wilcomb/
https://boisedev.com/news/2018/08/07/boise-public-library-the-cabin-anne-frank-wilcomb/
Supported a comment by Gary Zimmerman on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 7 months ago
Gary Zimmerman
Interesting article relating to the potential new library from Don Day. Raises some real concerns over the selection process along with questions regarding appropriateness for Boise. Please see https://boisedev.com/news/2018/10/03/boise-library-moshie-safdie-associates/.
Interesting article relating to the potential new library from Don Day. Raises some real concerns over the selection process along with questions regarding appropriateness for Boise. Please see https://boisedev.com/news/2018/10/03/boise-library-moshie-safdie-associates/.
Supported a comment by Gwynne McElhinney on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 7 months ago
Gwynne McElhinney
I agree with the other comments re: access & safety that have been made. Even with an elevated walkway, I'm concerned that a parking garage across River Street will create gridlock between Capitol Blvd. & 9th Street. You'll have to put in a traffic light on 8th which will mean very few cars can turn west on River in any one cycle without backing up traffic on Capitol. This will be especially true when special events are held at BSU (concerts/games) or in Julia Davis Park (e.g., Art in the Park). Cars entering & exiting the garage (whether on 8th or River) will further congest an already busy intersection. The new library, as proposed, creates so many challenges to our community. I hope it's not too late to re-evaluate what the architect has offered. Can't we go back to the drawing board and design a building that better meets the need of Boiseans now and in the future?
I agree with the other comments re: access & safety that have been made. Even with an elevated walkway, I'm concerned that a parking garage across River Street will create gridlock between Capitol Blvd. & 9th Street. You'll have to put in a traffic light on 8th which will mean very few cars can turn west on River in any one cycle without backing up traffic on Capitol. This will be especially true when special events are held at BSU (concerts/games) or in Julia Davis Park (e.g., Art in the Park). Cars entering & exiting the garage (whether on 8th or River) will further congest an already busy intersection. The new library, as proposed, creates so many challenges to our community. I hope it's not too late to re-evaluate what the architect has offered. Can't we go back to the drawing board and design a building that better meets the need of Boiseans now and in the future?
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 9 months ago
Diane Plastino Graves
I would like to know who made the decision that Mr. Safdie should be the architect and that his design would be approved? There are so many other types of buildings that would reflect the geography and culture of Boise, instead of another glass/steel/concrete building that could be seen in any city in the World. Have you seen the beautiful mass-timbered buildings of late? Spectacular. And how right for the City of Trees--at least we once were that.
I would like to know who made the decision that Mr. Safdie should be the architect and that his design would be approved? There are so many other types of buildings that would reflect the geography and culture of Boise, instead of another glass/steel/concrete building that could be seen in any city in the World. Have you seen the beautiful mass-timbered buildings of late? Spectacular. And how right for the City of Trees--at least we once were that.
Supported a comment by Shannon Peterson on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 9 months ago
Shannon Peterson
why does he have to give boise a copy of his SLC library instead of looking at the needs for the community?
why does he have to give boise a copy of his SLC library instead of looking at the needs for the community?
Supported a comment by Ted Jewell on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 9 months ago
Ted Jewell
The new library should be more than a monument to the architect. It should respect the city's history and modify the design to include the Cabin in its original location. The test of the project's success will be the long-time usage and acceptance of the overall site and the library.
The new library should be more than a monument to the architect. It should respect the city's history and modify the design to include the Cabin in its original location. The test of the project's success will be the long-time usage and acceptance of the overall site and the library.
Supported a comment by Christine King on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 9 months ago
Christine King
Oh, I so agree! I really hope The Cabin stays put, but I don't think City Hall considered either the structure or the literary center's future when they contracted with the architectural team.
Oh, I so agree! I really hope The Cabin stays put, but I don't think City Hall considered either the structure or the literary center's future when they contracted with the architectural team.
Supported a comment by Paula Benson on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 9 months ago
Paula Benson
The cabin was built as the Forester's Office and its site was specifically chosen because proximity to the river and the trees both reflect the timber history of the State of Idaho. Its location is germane to its original purpose and to its history. The Cabin Writer's Center has programs all over the city and could use another building if it needed to but the the cabin itself would be forever changed if it was moved to another site.
The cabin was built as the Forester's Office and its site was specifically chosen because proximity to the river and the trees both reflect the timber history of the State of Idaho. Its location is germane to its original purpose and to its history. The Cabin Writer's Center has programs all over the city and could use another building if it needed to but the the cabin itself would be forever changed if it was moved to another site.
Supported a comment by April LOrange on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 10 months ago
April LOrange
Dear City of Boise: Your beautiful is getting in the way of the functional aspects. Glass and cement is a mistake we all made in the 80s. It's hot, blinding, impermeable to runoff, and ages badly (both functionally and aesthetically).
Dear City of Boise: Your beautiful is getting in the way of the functional aspects. Glass and cement is a mistake we all made in the 80s. It's hot, blinding, impermeable to runoff, and ages badly (both functionally and aesthetically).
Supported a comment by John Magnan on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 10 months ago
John Magnan
Coming from a larger city, the best libraries were the small local ones. Easy parking, people walked to them, cozy scale for families and small community gatherings. This project is a boondoggle calling itself a library. I promise it will have a plaque with the mayors name on it if it is completed, and our taxes will go up bit by bit. I am not anti-taxes but what if we put those funds towards creating the countries most bike-able and walk-able city? Those are the trade-offs. Also, lets think about changing our library structure to fit today's lifestyle. Honestly, the worst part of getting a book from the library is going to the library- driving, parking, searching for your book, and the downtown location is the worst to get to with traffic. If you want to run a great service, let me order a book online I will pay for delivery and return, use shipping boxes that we can reuse over and over. Community center? JUMP is a couple blocks away. More books? How about sharing resources with BSU's library? Let's look forward and build this city different from others rather than copying them.
Coming from a larger city, the best libraries were the small local ones. Easy parking, people walked to them, cozy scale for families and small community gatherings. This project is a boondoggle calling itself a library. I promise it will have a plaque with the mayors name on it if it is completed, and our taxes will go up bit by bit. I am not anti-taxes but what if we put those funds towards creating the countries most bike-able and walk-able city? Those are the trade-offs. Also, lets think about changing our library structure to fit today's lifestyle. Honestly, the worst part of getting a book from the library is going to the library- driving, parking, searching for your book, and the downtown location is the worst to get to with traffic. If you want to run a great service, let me order a book online I will pay for delivery and return, use shipping boxes that we can reuse over and over. Community center? JUMP is a couple blocks away. More books? How about sharing resources with BSU's library? Let's look forward and build this city different from others rather than copying them.
Supported a comment by Heidi Forney on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 10 months ago
Heidi Forney
#1. This design does not take into consideration the elderly and disabled of our community. With only a few parking spaces on site, it will be difficult to access the library for those who have problems with walking, especially with the ramps, steps, etc in this kind of design. When you add to it that you are planning a multi-story parking garage across the street, with "maybe" an hour of free parking when it already takes the disabled longer to mobilize where they are going is ridiculous. Then, when it is snow and ice season the sidewalks and streets are even harder to maneuver, or when it is hot and smokey out it is downright dangerous for typical people let alone the disabled. This is a poorly thought out and inappropriate plan. #2. The Cabin is historically significant in its current location. It should remain where it is, and had you chosen a local or regional architect instead of some "big name" architect and requested that they include it as part of the design, I have no doubt that you would have found some uniquely "Boise" ideas come into play. #3. I personally find the design aesthetically displeasing. It doesnt fit with Boise archictecture. It looks like it would fit in San Jose or Los Angeles, but NOT the City of Trees. You need to send this one back to the drawing board and come up with something better.
#1. This design does not take into consideration the elderly and disabled of our community. With only a few parking spaces on site, it will be difficult to access the library for those who have problems with walking, especially with the ramps, steps, etc in this kind of design. When you add to it that you are planning a multi-story parking garage across the street, with "maybe" an hour of free parking when it already takes the disabled longer to mobilize where they are going is ridiculous. Then, when it is snow and ice season the sidewalks and streets are even harder to maneuver, or when it is hot and smokey out it is downright dangerous for typical people let alone the disabled. This is a poorly thought out and inappropriate plan. #2. The Cabin is historically significant in its current location. It should remain where it is, and had you chosen a local or regional architect instead of some "big name" architect and requested that they include it as part of the design, I have no doubt that you would have found some uniquely "Boise" ideas come into play. #3. I personally find the design aesthetically displeasing. It doesnt fit with Boise archictecture. It looks like it would fit in San Jose or Los Angeles, but NOT the City of Trees. You need to send this one back to the drawing board and come up with something better.
Supported a comment by Tammy Bixby on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 10 months ago
Tammy Bixby
It is completely out of line of what Boise is. Why are you so determined to destroy what Boise is a great historic town yes I know I said town. It is an ostentatious representation of what we are not. It is ridiculous to think that in this time of digital media and that includes books, that this is a necessity to be built it is not it is not necessary. I love the warehouse it is inviting it is quite lovely and it fits in with what we have if you were to incorporate the warehouse into your elaborate Crazy Design Define perhaps. Too much to be done away with too much debris too much construction it's just too much. Why not trying to fix the things that we already have went up jump some money and do Julia Davis Park and give us back our open space how about that. Why don't you just take out that Art Museum and give us that open space back in exchange for the space you're going to steal from us over there.
It is completely out of line of what Boise is. Why are you so determined to destroy what Boise is a great historic town yes I know I said town. It is an ostentatious representation of what we are not. It is ridiculous to think that in this time of digital media and that includes books, that this is a necessity to be built it is not it is not necessary. I love the warehouse it is inviting it is quite lovely and it fits in with what we have if you were to incorporate the warehouse into your elaborate Crazy Design Define perhaps. Too much to be done away with too much debris too much construction it's just too much. Why not trying to fix the things that we already have went up jump some money and do Julia Davis Park and give us back our open space how about that. Why don't you just take out that Art Museum and give us that open space back in exchange for the space you're going to steal from us over there.
Supported a comment by Judy Lewis Price on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 10 months ago
Judy Lewis Price
The Idaho State Capitol should be the "gateway to Boise" not an overblown, designed library. I am totally against the new library design and I believe spending $85-100 million on a pretentious structure is a waste of donated and/or taxpayer funds. In my opinion, the existing library should be updated both structurally and functionally. If other select satellite libraries were either added or updated and equipped equally, in terms of services offered as the current main library, the need to access the main library would be lessened which would take the existing stress off the main library. The congestion in the downtown core and the lack of parking makes accessing the current library difficult and it certainly won't improve with the current concept. I am also adamantly opposed to moving the Cabin. Leave some things as they are.
The Idaho State Capitol should be the "gateway to Boise" not an overblown, designed library. I am totally against the new library design and I believe spending $85-100 million on a pretentious structure is a waste of donated and/or taxpayer funds. In my opinion, the existing library should be updated both structurally and functionally. If other select satellite libraries were either added or updated and equipped equally, in terms of services offered as the current main library, the need to access the main library would be lessened which would take the existing stress off the main library. The congestion in the downtown core and the lack of parking makes accessing the current library difficult and it certainly won't improve with the current concept. I am also adamantly opposed to moving the Cabin. Leave some things as they are.
Supported a comment by LeeJoe Lay on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 10 months ago
LeeJoe Lay
Doesn't look like anything related to the history of Boise, got anything with a western or Oregon trail or River or city of trees theme to it, the mini Sydney opera house look is kind of gratuitous or grandious, or auspicious for the real spirit of Boise, or there you go even hot air balloon inspired would have been cool. Thanks LeeJoe Lay.
Doesn't look like anything related to the history of Boise, got anything with a western or Oregon trail or River or city of trees theme to it, the mini Sydney opera house look is kind of gratuitous or grandious, or auspicious for the real spirit of Boise, or there you go even hot air balloon inspired would have been cool. Thanks LeeJoe Lay.
Supported a comment by Jessie Roberts on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 10 months ago
Jessie Roberts
I find demolition of the Foothills School building to create parking depressing. Many people parking at the library are families and the elderly. Parking in a garage across a busy street will be difficult and inconvenient for a lot of users. This is a poor plan, and it would be much better to save and renovate the sweet old building slated for demolition into cool lofts while maintaining the character and history of the area. The library and neighborhood plan will ruin the charm of that area, an area that currently feels very quintessentially Boise.
I find demolition of the Foothills School building to create parking depressing. Many people parking at the library are families and the elderly. Parking in a garage across a busy street will be difficult and inconvenient for a lot of users. This is a poor plan, and it would be much better to save and renovate the sweet old building slated for demolition into cool lofts while maintaining the character and history of the area. The library and neighborhood plan will ruin the charm of that area, an area that currently feels very quintessentially Boise.
Supported a comment by April LOrange on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 10 months ago
April LOrange
This looks like a very well-intentioned terrible idea. As follows: * Your disability access is inadequate, both in distance and in number of parking spaces. * In addition to the cabin, the current library building contributes to the character of the neighborhood, while the new one would destroy it. * Natural light is great, but it's the enemy of books and periodicals. The glare would also interfere with computer use, the other big resource at the library. * Unless you're going 100% LEED, having this much glass will lead to incredible thermal load--you're looking at a 20-degree difference between the sunny side and the shady side that no amount of air conditioning can fix. * Additionally, that "lens" wall will reflect sunlight at certain times of day, creating blinding glare on the greenbelt. * All that pale cement/stone/facing is going to create a terrible heat island effect in the summer. I know there's some rooftop garden planed, but that won't make crossing that entry plaza any less brutal. * The hardscaping will also create substantial runoff issues. * Folks tell me this looks like the Sake Lake City library. Can't we have a library that still looks like Boise? Expand the old building if you can. If not, at least use red brick. * Despite the dimensionality in the architecture, the plan for this building makes the same "urban renewal" mistakes most major cities made in the 80s. Let's learn from them instead. I don't want my kids' taxes paying to clean up this mess in 20 years.
This looks like a very well-intentioned terrible idea. As follows: * Your disability access is inadequate, both in distance and in number of parking spaces. * In addition to the cabin, the current library building contributes to the character of the neighborhood, while the new one would destroy it. * Natural light is great, but it's the enemy of books and periodicals. The glare would also interfere with computer use, the other big resource at the library. * Unless you're going 100% LEED, having this much glass will lead to incredible thermal load--you're looking at a 20-degree difference between the sunny side and the shady side that no amount of air conditioning can fix. * Additionally, that "lens" wall will reflect sunlight at certain times of day, creating blinding glare on the greenbelt. * All that pale cement/stone/facing is going to create a terrible heat island effect in the summer. I know there's some rooftop garden planed, but that won't make crossing that entry plaza any less brutal. * The hardscaping will also create substantial runoff issues. * Folks tell me this looks like the Sake Lake City library. Can't we have a library that still looks like Boise? Expand the old building if you can. If not, at least use red brick. * Despite the dimensionality in the architecture, the plan for this building makes the same "urban renewal" mistakes most major cities made in the 80s. Let's learn from them instead. I don't want my kids' taxes paying to clean up this mess in 20 years.
Supported a comment by Lynette Daudt on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 10 months ago
Lynette Daudt
I do go now, often, precisely because I can pull into the parking lot, run in, and leave all without crossing a street.
I do go now, often, precisely because I can pull into the parking lot, run in, and leave all without crossing a street.
Supported a comment by Mary Wallace Dragone on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 10 months ago
Mary Wallace Dragone
The entire thing is cost prohibitive.
The entire thing is cost prohibitive.
Supported a comment by April LOrange on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 10 months ago
April LOrange
Please don't forget that a lot of onsite parking needs to be disabled-accessible. As a disabled person who can't use a wheelchair, no number of ramps fixes being too far away or running out of disabled-placard spaces.
Please don't forget that a lot of onsite parking needs to be disabled-accessible. As a disabled person who can't use a wheelchair, no number of ramps fixes being too far away or running out of disabled-placard spaces.
Supported a comment by David Klinger on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 10 months ago
David Klinger
Jared O, and others, I understand why you’re “on the fence” about “The Cabin’s” pending move. Let me take a stab at it. First, you really have to believe that history matters ... where it happened ... and that history moved is hustory diminished. “The Cabin” and its site (along with the other log structure on the other end of the 1931 Capitol Boulevard Bridge, which was the Boise CCC District headquarters and is now an Italian restaurant) formed the “cradle of forestry” in Idaho during the New Deal. Forestry was professionalized and 28,000 boys in FDR’s “Tree Army” were managed from these little cabins. When you move historic structures off of historic sites, their “integrity of place” is lost. Henry Ford’s Greenfield Village in Dearborn is full of historic buildings relocated from all across the U.S. Yes, buildings have been kept but context has been sacrificed. What is left is a Disneyland-like “cartoon” of history. Second, there is no compelling reason to move “The Cabin” since it’s not in the footprint of the new library structure or proposed for parking. It could be evicted solely to gain a lawn, a small patio, and a view of the Boise River (presuming trees are cut). A costly move of “The Cabin” takes money away from the budget for a new library and boosts the tab taxpayers will pay. Hardly a good deal. Take a second look.
Jared O, and others, I understand why you’re “on the fence” about “The Cabin’s” pending move. Let me take a stab at it. First, you really have to believe that history matters ... where it happened ... and that history moved is hustory diminished. “The Cabin” and its site (along with the other log structure on the other end of the 1931 Capitol Boulevard Bridge, which was the Boise CCC District headquarters and is now an Italian restaurant) formed the “cradle of forestry” in Idaho during the New Deal. Forestry was professionalized and 28,000 boys in FDR’s “Tree Army” were managed from these little cabins. When you move historic structures off of historic sites, their “integrity of place” is lost. Henry Ford’s Greenfield Village in Dearborn is full of historic buildings relocated from all across the U.S. Yes, buildings have been kept but context has been sacrificed. What is left is a Disneyland-like “cartoon” of history. Second, there is no compelling reason to move “The Cabin” since it’s not in the footprint of the new library structure or proposed for parking. It could be evicted solely to gain a lawn, a small patio, and a view of the Boise River (presuming trees are cut). A costly move of “The Cabin” takes money away from the budget for a new library and boosts the tab taxpayers will pay. Hardly a good deal. Take a second look.
Supported a comment by David Klinger on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 10 months ago
David Klinger
The other compelling case against moving “The Cabin,” Jared O. and others, is one that isn’t immediately apparent to many newcomers to Boise, of which we have a rapidly increasing amount. There has been a terrific cumulative loss of historic structures in Boise, stretching back decades or longer. We’d be happy to share with you the lengthy, lengthy list of historic buildings that have either been demolished or moved in this city, under a policy that basically says, “Move it ... or lose it!” That’s not an enlightened policy ... certainly not one that a city that claims the mantle of “America’s Most Livable City” can continue to perpetuate. We think it’s time for new thinking and a new approach ... one that respects history and that declines to regard structures of significance to this city’s heritage as merely “inconveniences” to be pushed aside with little regard for impact on Boise’s history. History belongs where it happened. And a city like Boise, that has much less accumulated history than, say, a Boston or a Philadelphia, needs to conserve what it does possess with even greater tenacity than cities blessed with a longer municipal life. Boise can no longer regard its history as an annoyance; it ought to be capitalizing on it as an economic driver. And that starts with “The Cabin” being the “line in the sand.”
The other compelling case against moving “The Cabin,” Jared O. and others, is one that isn’t immediately apparent to many newcomers to Boise, of which we have a rapidly increasing amount. There has been a terrific cumulative loss of historic structures in Boise, stretching back decades or longer. We’d be happy to share with you the lengthy, lengthy list of historic buildings that have either been demolished or moved in this city, under a policy that basically says, “Move it ... or lose it!” That’s not an enlightened policy ... certainly not one that a city that claims the mantle of “America’s Most Livable City” can continue to perpetuate. We think it’s time for new thinking and a new approach ... one that respects history and that declines to regard structures of significance to this city’s heritage as merely “inconveniences” to be pushed aside with little regard for impact on Boise’s history. History belongs where it happened. And a city like Boise, that has much less accumulated history than, say, a Boston or a Philadelphia, needs to conserve what it does possess with even greater tenacity than cities blessed with a longer municipal life. Boise can no longer regard its history as an annoyance; it ought to be capitalizing on it as an economic driver. And that starts with “The Cabin” being the “line in the sand.”
Supported a comment by John Bertram on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 10 months ago
John Bertram
The CABIN is an important historic component of Capitol Boulevard and must remain at its original 1940 location. Very unfortunate that Mayor and Council recently approved a long term lease for the adjacent city owned property that should be part of the new library's parking solution. Face the foolish lease and buy it out. Don't cut down Greenbelt trees-they are part of the Boise River habitat.
The CABIN is an important historic component of Capitol Boulevard and must remain at its original 1940 location. Very unfortunate that Mayor and Council recently approved a long term lease for the adjacent city owned property that should be part of the new library's parking solution. Face the foolish lease and buy it out. Don't cut down Greenbelt trees-they are part of the Boise River habitat.
Supported a comment by Piper Cabaltera on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 10 months ago
Piper Cabaltera
I am disappointed in the design; it is too modern for the area. Keep Boise's heritage as a frontier town while bringing it into the modern age. The current design is reminiscent of a dung beetle, not a library. Please reconsider and come up with something that fits the area better. Also, leave it as a library and stop adding additional uses into it, other than the standard meeting rooms that the libraries currently have. Thank you.
I am disappointed in the design; it is too modern for the area. Keep Boise's heritage as a frontier town while bringing it into the modern age. The current design is reminiscent of a dung beetle, not a library. Please reconsider and come up with something that fits the area better. Also, leave it as a library and stop adding additional uses into it, other than the standard meeting rooms that the libraries currently have. Thank you.
Supported a comment by Jessica Howell on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Jessica Howell
This is Boise, not Los Angeles. The proposed development is an eye sore and discounts the historical and cultural significance of The Cabin. This is so disappointing.
This is Boise, not Los Angeles. The proposed development is an eye sore and discounts the historical and cultural significance of The Cabin. This is so disappointing.
Supported a comment by Sue McMillan on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Sue McMillan
There seems to be a lot of form/design over substance in this project. The public spaces are duplicative of what is available elsewhere in the city and not a sensible use of tax payer funds. In addition, I'm surprised there was apparently no thought given to The Cabin -- whether in asking that it be incorporated in the plans or in effective messaging to the community as to why it wasn't incorporated in the plans.
There seems to be a lot of form/design over substance in this project. The public spaces are duplicative of what is available elsewhere in the city and not a sensible use of tax payer funds. In addition, I'm surprised there was apparently no thought given to The Cabin -- whether in asking that it be incorporated in the plans or in effective messaging to the community as to why it wasn't incorporated in the plans.
Supported a comment by Connie Bollinger on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Connie Bollinger
I think the project is too fancy and too expensive. The one thing that keeps me from coming to the main library is the terrible access, limited parking, and getting into and out of the parking lot. I have not seen these addressed in the plan. And, the Cabin belongs where it is! The headlong rush to change Boise from what it has been to something else will be regretted.
I think the project is too fancy and too expensive. The one thing that keeps me from coming to the main library is the terrible access, limited parking, and getting into and out of the parking lot. I have not seen these addressed in the plan. And, the Cabin belongs where it is! The headlong rush to change Boise from what it has been to something else will be regretted.
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Diane Plastino Graves
What the cabin is and where it is is the same thing. It is not an issue of moving the nonprofit The Cabin. But moving the cabin building itself, which was built by the CCC on that spot in 1939., would be a tragedy. It would be like moving the Boise Depot to west Boise, or the Statue of Liberty to New Jersey. It is at home in that spot, and has been for 7 decades. We need these special places to remain untouched, so that Boise has representations of all its history, intact. https://www.idahostatesman.com/opinion/readers-opinion/article214439969.html
What the cabin is and where it is is the same thing. It is not an issue of moving the nonprofit The Cabin. But moving the cabin building itself, which was built by the CCC on that spot in 1939., would be a tragedy. It would be like moving the Boise Depot to west Boise, or the Statue of Liberty to New Jersey. It is at home in that spot, and has been for 7 decades. We need these special places to remain untouched, so that Boise has representations of all its history, intact. https://www.idahostatesman.com/opinion/readers-opinion/article214439969.html
Supported a comment by Kristi Hansen on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Kristi Hansen
I would like to see a much more modest and less costly design, one that reflects and serves the majority of the population instead of being eye-candy for the top 5%. Building the Taj Mahal of libraries is a want. Doing something about Boise's lack of affordable housing that's driving the city's growing homeless population is a need, along with improved CITY-WIDE public transit.
I would like to see a much more modest and less costly design, one that reflects and serves the majority of the population instead of being eye-candy for the top 5%. Building the Taj Mahal of libraries is a want. Doing something about Boise's lack of affordable housing that's driving the city's growing homeless population is a need, along with improved CITY-WIDE public transit.
Supported a comment by Barbara Michele Winston on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Barbara Michele Winston
I would like to see the present downtown library building renovated. The design idea is too large and modernistic for this location. It would cost far less money and spare The Cabin. I think additional branches would be a welcome asset to many of the neighborhoods. That would help ease the parking dilemma and crowding concerns at the main library.
I would like to see the present downtown library building renovated. The design idea is too large and modernistic for this location. It would cost far less money and spare The Cabin. I think additional branches would be a welcome asset to many of the neighborhoods. That would help ease the parking dilemma and crowding concerns at the main library.
Supported a comment by Lynette Daudt on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Lynette Daudt
NO demolishing of any existing warehouse buildings in that neighborhood! Renovate and incorporate them.
NO demolishing of any existing warehouse buildings in that neighborhood! Renovate and incorporate them.
Supported a comment by L Pennisi on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
L Pennisi
Leave the main Library branch as it is. We went down this path a few years ago and the voters rejected changing the main library. Stop spending our money on frivolous projects that will raise our taxes and keep us in debt for 20+ years.
Leave the main Library branch as it is. We went down this path a few years ago and the voters rejected changing the main library. Stop spending our money on frivolous projects that will raise our taxes and keep us in debt for 20+ years.
Supported a comment by L Pennisi on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
L Pennisi
Never, especially if I have to pay to park, which is another part of the project. ANOTHER PARKING GARAGE!! Of course, the city will make patrons pay for the privilege to go to the library. Someone will have to pay for all this and it will the taxpayers. With Kindles and every other type of e-reader, do we really need a bigger library? What is the basis for this plan. Stop trying to change this city to impress who? Who is Bieter and the City Council trying to impress here? I didn't move to Boise to see it change into every other big city. What is the return on investment? So we can "feel" good? What need justifies this expense? What problem is the City Council and Bieter trying to solve? I don't think there is a problem; they just like to spend millions of dollars as often as possible and keep this city in a constant state of upheaval. How about we have a moratorium on building ANYTHING for one year? Let's see where the current building projects land. What unintended consequences are created? What new problems did the City Council create with their grandiose plans that the rest of us have to suffer through?
Never, especially if I have to pay to park, which is another part of the project. ANOTHER PARKING GARAGE!! Of course, the city will make patrons pay for the privilege to go to the library. Someone will have to pay for all this and it will the taxpayers. With Kindles and every other type of e-reader, do we really need a bigger library? What is the basis for this plan. Stop trying to change this city to impress who? Who is Bieter and the City Council trying to impress here? I didn't move to Boise to see it change into every other big city. What is the return on investment? So we can "feel" good? What need justifies this expense? What problem is the City Council and Bieter trying to solve? I don't think there is a problem; they just like to spend millions of dollars as often as possible and keep this city in a constant state of upheaval. How about we have a moratorium on building ANYTHING for one year? Let's see where the current building projects land. What unintended consequences are created? What new problems did the City Council create with their grandiose plans that the rest of us have to suffer through?
Supported a comment by James Maguire on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
James Maguire
No. It should respect and incorporate the Cabin. The current south elevation looks like any other high tech 'corporate' office park. Does not suit Boise and is basically a smaller version of what the architect did in SLC.
No. It should respect and incorporate the Cabin. The current south elevation looks like any other high tech 'corporate' office park. Does not suit Boise and is basically a smaller version of what the architect did in SLC.
Supported a comment by L Pennisi on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
L Pennisi
No, especially if a parking garage is part of the plan. Can this City Council leave something as it is? Really, they are remaking this city into an urban renewal utopia and not considering the way people WHO LIVE IN BOISE want to live and what they are willing to pay for. Seems like the City Council is more interested in appealing to outsiders instead of the people who have lived here all their lives or almost.
No, especially if a parking garage is part of the plan. Can this City Council leave something as it is? Really, they are remaking this city into an urban renewal utopia and not considering the way people WHO LIVE IN BOISE want to live and what they are willing to pay for. Seems like the City Council is more interested in appealing to outsiders instead of the people who have lived here all their lives or almost.
Supported a comment by L Pennisi on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
L Pennisi
This building is completely unnecessary and will create another bigger city bureaucracy. Access will be limited to citizens who will have to pay for this behemoth and there will be all sorts of hoops that a user will have to jump through to reserve a room or use any services. This city has enough existing venues for events, programs, and services. Let's see how those venues are used before spending more money. Let's see if they are used, how? by whom? What traffic situations are the result, etc. The city just spent money to redo the history museum. There isn't a room or two that can be used for programs, services, events, and collections? This city is ridiculous and has no boundaries when it comes to spending money. Stop spending our money so frivolously! Just look at the Grove fountain. $750,000 for a fountain. Not good stewards with taxpayer dollars.
This building is completely unnecessary and will create another bigger city bureaucracy. Access will be limited to citizens who will have to pay for this behemoth and there will be all sorts of hoops that a user will have to jump through to reserve a room or use any services. This city has enough existing venues for events, programs, and services. Let's see how those venues are used before spending more money. Let's see if they are used, how? by whom? What traffic situations are the result, etc. The city just spent money to redo the history museum. There isn't a room or two that can be used for programs, services, events, and collections? This city is ridiculous and has no boundaries when it comes to spending money. Stop spending our money so frivolously! Just look at the Grove fountain. $750,000 for a fountain. Not good stewards with taxpayer dollars.
Supported a comment by Jake Anderson on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Jake Anderson
I want to see plenty of bike parking with good bike racks. Not awkward, stylized bike racks--ordinary, user-friendly bike racks that are easy to lock your bike to. Additionally, it would be nice to have a book drop that is convenient to cyclists. Besides that, less concrete, less asphalt, and plenty of native trees, please. The library is right next to the river; let's maintain some natural riparian habitat. I don't think a "modern, innovative gateway" is the right question to ask the public in order to assess whether we like your design, and the fact that it was question #2 makes me wonder about the design team's priorities. For example, I would be perfectly happy with a building stylized like a 19th century train station or Roman temple (or a 1940s warehouse adapted into an attractive, fully functional library) if it was generally attractive, practical, and cost-effective.
I want to see plenty of bike parking with good bike racks. Not awkward, stylized bike racks--ordinary, user-friendly bike racks that are easy to lock your bike to. Additionally, it would be nice to have a book drop that is convenient to cyclists. Besides that, less concrete, less asphalt, and plenty of native trees, please. The library is right next to the river; let's maintain some natural riparian habitat. I don't think a "modern, innovative gateway" is the right question to ask the public in order to assess whether we like your design, and the fact that it was question #2 makes me wonder about the design team's priorities. For example, I would be perfectly happy with a building stylized like a 19th century train station or Roman temple (or a 1940s warehouse adapted into an attractive, fully functional library) if it was generally attractive, practical, and cost-effective.
Supported a comment by James Maguire on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
James Maguire
The design is idiosyncratic and trendy. An Iconic, welcoming, durable and 'timeless' structure would not needlessly call as much attention to itself and would utilize those strategies successfully deployed on past 'timeless' buildings. The current design will be dated in a matter of a few years and due to its unconventional geometry will be expensive to construct and maintain. Boise can do better.
The design is idiosyncratic and trendy. An Iconic, welcoming, durable and 'timeless' structure would not needlessly call as much attention to itself and would utilize those strategies successfully deployed on past 'timeless' buildings. The current design will be dated in a matter of a few years and due to its unconventional geometry will be expensive to construct and maintain. Boise can do better.
Supported a comment by Jake Anderson on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Jake Anderson
The side near the river should have plenty of native trees, and at least some of it should have a "woods" character instead of a "lawn" character. We're ripping natural riparian woodlands and putting in unnatural lawns at a horrifying rate in this town, and in doing so we're destroying habitat for native wildlife like kingfishers and ospreys and replacing it with habitat for starlings and geese. The sides away from the river should feature sagebrush and other plants native to this area. People forget that Idaho's sagebrush steppe has a unique beauty of its own, and a city landmark like the library should celebrate that beauty, rather than replacing it with landscapes more typical of the east.
The side near the river should have plenty of native trees, and at least some of it should have a "woods" character instead of a "lawn" character. We're ripping natural riparian woodlands and putting in unnatural lawns at a horrifying rate in this town, and in doing so we're destroying habitat for native wildlife like kingfishers and ospreys and replacing it with habitat for starlings and geese. The sides away from the river should feature sagebrush and other plants native to this area. People forget that Idaho's sagebrush steppe has a unique beauty of its own, and a city landmark like the library should celebrate that beauty, rather than replacing it with landscapes more typical of the east.
Supported a comment by Dave T. on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Dave T.
Inclusion of the Arts and History department at the Main Library location. It just makes sense with the Cabin right there (not moved), then BAM and Idaho History across the street. This survey does not match what is on the Main Library. Why don’t you ask me what I don’t like about the proposed concept instead of making me cram it all in at the end under “other comments”. Oh wait, this survey does not have other comments at the end.
Inclusion of the Arts and History department at the Main Library location. It just makes sense with the Cabin right there (not moved), then BAM and Idaho History across the street. This survey does not match what is on the Main Library. Why don’t you ask me what I don’t like about the proposed concept instead of making me cram it all in at the end under “other comments”. Oh wait, this survey does not have other comments at the end.
Supported a comment by Dave T. on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Dave T.
A better set of survey questions. The question 2 packs too much in and i can’t say yes to every aspect of the question so I have to say no. I’d like to see other INNOVATIVE plans by local architects that incorporate the existing warehouse building and keep the cabin where it is. I would like to see a more detailed budget That includes the sources of money instead of a line item marked “Other” for $53.8 million in the budget.
A better set of survey questions. The question 2 packs too much in and i can’t say yes to every aspect of the question so I have to say no. I’d like to see other INNOVATIVE plans by local architects that incorporate the existing warehouse building and keep the cabin where it is. I would like to see a more detailed budget That includes the sources of money instead of a line item marked “Other” for $53.8 million in the budget.
Supported a comment by Dave T. on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Dave T.
No more than the current library already does. The current main library already has access to the Greenbelt and the Boise River is just beyond that. I don’t see how this new design incorporates either of those any differently than they are now. I do not see a large patio or outdoor space going all the way up to the river in this design.
No more than the current library already does. The current main library already has access to the Greenbelt and the Boise River is just beyond that. I don’t see how this new design incorporates either of those any differently than they are now. I do not see a large patio or outdoor space going all the way up to the river in this design.
Supported a comment by Dave T. on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Dave T.
This survey is so poorly implemented and does not match the one on the Main Library site. I had prepared comments for the "Other Comments" section and then get here to find there is not place to leave other comments. I would have used the one on the main library site but that one has been giving a "500: Internal Server Error" all weekend and into today, the last day of the survey. So where do I give my actual feedback???? I think the initial visioning workshops where a joke. I read the executive summary and on the first page it even states “project goals and objectives for the project as set by the project steering committee are summarized as follows”. The project goals and objectives were already set before that visioning workshop. A project of this size should be put to a bond/levy vote.
This survey is so poorly implemented and does not match the one on the Main Library site. I had prepared comments for the "Other Comments" section and then get here to find there is not place to leave other comments. I would have used the one on the main library site but that one has been giving a "500: Internal Server Error" all weekend and into today, the last day of the survey. So where do I give my actual feedback???? I think the initial visioning workshops where a joke. I read the executive summary and on the first page it even states “project goals and objectives for the project as set by the project steering committee are summarized as follows”. The project goals and objectives were already set before that visioning workshop. A project of this size should be put to a bond/levy vote.
Supported a comment by bonnie zimmerman on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
bonnie zimmerman
I think the design concept has been created to fit a grand library in the space they could take. Any concept to bring people together needs to think about parking. Including safe bicycle parking and lighted walkways. A library needs to be where the people are, or can easily reach. We don't need a grand library. We need multiple neighborhood libraries with updated books, references. Keep updated with technology in all libraries. City tax money needs to be used to the benefit of everyone.
I think the design concept has been created to fit a grand library in the space they could take. Any concept to bring people together needs to think about parking. Including safe bicycle parking and lighted walkways. A library needs to be where the people are, or can easily reach. We don't need a grand library. We need multiple neighborhood libraries with updated books, references. Keep updated with technology in all libraries. City tax money needs to be used to the benefit of everyone.
Supported a comment by Lindsay Mosqueda on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Lindsay Mosqueda
We need to leave the Boise Library alone and make updates as needed. This is what gives Boise its charm and stripping away the history surounding the building along with the building itself does not do this city any justice. I have grown up in that library and while it does need updated, tearing it down destroys what Boise is. The design is atrocious and does not fit into this community. That money could be used in so many different ways that would more benifical to the community than this eyesore. Stop demolishing what everyone loves about Boise. Traffic and parking are already a problem and now you want to create this. Truly sad and disappointing.
We need to leave the Boise Library alone and make updates as needed. This is what gives Boise its charm and stripping away the history surounding the building along with the building itself does not do this city any justice. I have grown up in that library and while it does need updated, tearing it down destroys what Boise is. The design is atrocious and does not fit into this community. That money could be used in so many different ways that would more benifical to the community than this eyesore. Stop demolishing what everyone loves about Boise. Traffic and parking are already a problem and now you want to create this. Truly sad and disappointing.
Supported a comment by Gary Zimmerman on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Gary Zimmerman
(1) I really would like to see a design that focuses on being a library and not everything else. For example we have a history museum that was recently remodeled and may be a good choice for a center for arts and history. Also JUMP and Anne Frank could be better utilized for teaching and event space. (2) A modular, fiscally responsible, design and construction plan that allows a more phased build out over time. This could allow the plan to react to changes in the community overtime as well. (3) This library project should not take away from the mission to bring materials to all locations of the valley with branch libraries, etc. This project seems to overpower and take away from the core mission and value of libraries within the overall community.
(1) I really would like to see a design that focuses on being a library and not everything else. For example we have a history museum that was recently remodeled and may be a good choice for a center for arts and history. Also JUMP and Anne Frank could be better utilized for teaching and event space. (2) A modular, fiscally responsible, design and construction plan that allows a more phased build out over time. This could allow the plan to react to changes in the community overtime as well. (3) This library project should not take away from the mission to bring materials to all locations of the valley with branch libraries, etc. This project seems to overpower and take away from the core mission and value of libraries within the overall community.
Supported a comment by Pamela B. on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Pamela B.
The books and CDs. Currently I access a lot of library programs and want to make sure that those are not interrupted throughout this construction period. I'd also like to know what other aspects are available, a listing would be appreciated.
The books and CDs. Currently I access a lot of library programs and want to make sure that those are not interrupted throughout this construction period. I'd also like to know what other aspects are available, a listing would be appreciated.
Supported a comment by C Shaw on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
C Shaw
My family currently visits the library at least once a week. Onsite parking is crucial in maintaining the convenience and habit of library use. This design destroys another part of our historic downtown by removing the Cabin and expresses a paradigm of excess and waste. Boise is well supplied with affordable, family friendly theaters and BAM is directly across the street. This would be a better place for the Arts and History piece. Good libraries are so important...this design does not emphasis or celebrate the Library!.
My family currently visits the library at least once a week. Onsite parking is crucial in maintaining the convenience and habit of library use. This design destroys another part of our historic downtown by removing the Cabin and expresses a paradigm of excess and waste. Boise is well supplied with affordable, family friendly theaters and BAM is directly across the street. This would be a better place for the Arts and History piece. Good libraries are so important...this design does not emphasis or celebrate the Library!.
Supported a comment by Margie Baehr on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Margie Baehr
PLEASE don't have the Department of Arts & History duplicate services that are already provided in the community by BAM and others. Why do you feel a need to, as you state in your brochure, offer "professionally curated exhibitions" when we have a first-class art museum across the street? This is a waste of money and resources. BAM has been the center for visual arts for our city for over 80 years and deserves more support from Boise.
PLEASE don't have the Department of Arts & History duplicate services that are already provided in the community by BAM and others. Why do you feel a need to, as you state in your brochure, offer "professionally curated exhibitions" when we have a first-class art museum across the street? This is a waste of money and resources. BAM has been the center for visual arts for our city for over 80 years and deserves more support from Boise.
Supported a comment by Margie Baehr on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Margie Baehr
It's an albatross! This is a giant structure with no parking. Public transit is inadequate. We lose green-space and the literary Cabin. Unfortunately, a gift shop and snack bar will not be a significant draw for foot traffic. Because of inadequate parking, this new library will be utilized even less than the current Library! I fear that this new library will become a liability, not an asset. Duplication of services is also a concern. Specifically I'm referring to the plans for curated art space. We have a lovely, small art museum, BAM, right across Capital Blvd, with experience in showcasing local artists as well as bringing significant exhibitions to Boise. Besides, BAM has inadequate exhibit space for it's large collection of excellent art. Will BAM be responsible for the art gallery space at the new library, or has the city decided to hire duplicate staff to manage this area? If the city is going to "go big" with the "Gateway to the City" concept, wouldn't a better gateway include plans to save the Cabin and pair a smaller new library with an expanded Boise Art Museum facility directly across Capital Blvd?
It's an albatross! This is a giant structure with no parking. Public transit is inadequate. We lose green-space and the literary Cabin. Unfortunately, a gift shop and snack bar will not be a significant draw for foot traffic. Because of inadequate parking, this new library will be utilized even less than the current Library! I fear that this new library will become a liability, not an asset. Duplication of services is also a concern. Specifically I'm referring to the plans for curated art space. We have a lovely, small art museum, BAM, right across Capital Blvd, with experience in showcasing local artists as well as bringing significant exhibitions to Boise. Besides, BAM has inadequate exhibit space for it's large collection of excellent art. Will BAM be responsible for the art gallery space at the new library, or has the city decided to hire duplicate staff to manage this area? If the city is going to "go big" with the "Gateway to the City" concept, wouldn't a better gateway include plans to save the Cabin and pair a smaller new library with an expanded Boise Art Museum facility directly across Capital Blvd?
Supported a comment by David Klinger on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
David Klinger
A beautiful, modernist design ... that belongs in Barcelona, Spain, or Abu Dhabi. It’s not a fit with an intermountain city, between foothills and river, whose character and culture are wedded in the Oregon Trail. A contemporary, Prairie School design with Frank Lloyd Wright as its inspiration would have blended better with its environment but still provided inspiration and modernism. A structure that “works” works best when it respects its surroundings, topography, scale, and culture.
A beautiful, modernist design ... that belongs in Barcelona, Spain, or Abu Dhabi. It’s not a fit with an intermountain city, between foothills and river, whose character and culture are wedded in the Oregon Trail. A contemporary, Prairie School design with Frank Lloyd Wright as its inspiration would have blended better with its environment but still provided inspiration and modernism. A structure that “works” works best when it respects its surroundings, topography, scale, and culture.
Supported a comment by David Klinger on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
David Klinger
I would like to see less. “Less” can sometimes be “more”. First, it’s apparent that this design is less of a library and more of a “social events center” that relegates library functions to the background, almost as an afterthought. Library functions need greater prominence in this structure, not less. As far as the “urban meeting place” and “epicenter of culture” sales pitches for this new design, I thought Boise was supposed to already possess an “urban meeting place”? It’s called JUMP. Have you considered the possibility that two “urban meeting places” (requiring two massive parking structures) may tend to de-market each other? Pity this project wasn’t approached 10 years ago as a “public-private partnership” between the City of Boise and the Simplot Corporation that would have consolidated all of these functions (library, arts, meeting space, etc.) into one really outstanding venue. It’s called “achieving critical mass” and had these projects been approached collectively, instead of “stove-piping” them separately, we might have gotten a single, better facility, at less overall cost, than two duplicative facilities that may wind up consuming valuable downtown space while providing limited services for the average Boise resident. A real missed opportunity.
I would like to see less. “Less” can sometimes be “more”. First, it’s apparent that this design is less of a library and more of a “social events center” that relegates library functions to the background, almost as an afterthought. Library functions need greater prominence in this structure, not less. As far as the “urban meeting place” and “epicenter of culture” sales pitches for this new design, I thought Boise was supposed to already possess an “urban meeting place”? It’s called JUMP. Have you considered the possibility that two “urban meeting places” (requiring two massive parking structures) may tend to de-market each other? Pity this project wasn’t approached 10 years ago as a “public-private partnership” between the City of Boise and the Simplot Corporation that would have consolidated all of these functions (library, arts, meeting space, etc.) into one really outstanding venue. It’s called “achieving critical mass” and had these projects been approached collectively, instead of “stove-piping” them separately, we might have gotten a single, better facility, at less overall cost, than two duplicative facilities that may wind up consuming valuable downtown space while providing limited services for the average Boise resident. A real missed opportunity.
Supported a comment by David Klinger on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
David Klinger
I believe that “storytelling” starts with the history that’s currently on the property, and which is now proposed for eviction. I’d tell the story of how this site — the two Civilian Conservation Corps structures that “bookend” the 1931 Capitol Boulevard Bridge were where modern forestry in Idaho really began in the New Deal. More thn 28,000 young men came to Idaho in the Depression (more than any other state but California) to enlist in Franklin Roosevelt’s “tree army”. Many of them stayed, and their descendants are still here in Idaho. Many of them toured “The Cabin” in their elementary school days, when it was the home of the Idaho State Forester, where they learned about trees and wood and fire and mountains for nearly 50 years when the state’s forest programs where centered here. I’d tell them that story was, essentially, lost when we wiped “The Cabin” off this place, to become an idle, museum-piece elsewhere that — like so many other Boise historic structures — was divorced from its birthplace. Yes, I would like to see much more storytelling in any new library. It will be the only way we can remember what Boise once possessed, but lacked the foresight to meaningfully preserve.
I believe that “storytelling” starts with the history that’s currently on the property, and which is now proposed for eviction. I’d tell the story of how this site — the two Civilian Conservation Corps structures that “bookend” the 1931 Capitol Boulevard Bridge were where modern forestry in Idaho really began in the New Deal. More thn 28,000 young men came to Idaho in the Depression (more than any other state but California) to enlist in Franklin Roosevelt’s “tree army”. Many of them stayed, and their descendants are still here in Idaho. Many of them toured “The Cabin” in their elementary school days, when it was the home of the Idaho State Forester, where they learned about trees and wood and fire and mountains for nearly 50 years when the state’s forest programs where centered here. I’d tell them that story was, essentially, lost when we wiped “The Cabin” off this place, to become an idle, museum-piece elsewhere that — like so many other Boise historic structures — was divorced from its birthplace. Yes, I would like to see much more storytelling in any new library. It will be the only way we can remember what Boise once possessed, but lacked the foresight to meaningfully preserve.
Supported a comment by Sharon Tabor on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Sharon Tabor
Should a library be a gateway to a city? Who is asking these questions? I have never visited a local library in any city I have visited over my lifetime. It doesn't mean I don't like libraries, it means I am more likely to visit a museum like our tiny art museum.
Should a library be a gateway to a city? Who is asking these questions? I have never visited a local library in any city I have visited over my lifetime. It doesn't mean I don't like libraries, it means I am more likely to visit a museum like our tiny art museum.
Supported a comment by Scott K. on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Scott K.
What would help city leaders is for the public to discuss and consider alternative designs along with project and operations and maintenance costs. For instance, the costs of maintaining the current library vs establishing branches throughout the city vs standalone event centers and the Boise Arts and History Center. It seems as if the public is being asked to consider a yes or no answer to a design that may or not be modified further. A cost benefit analysis that considers a variety of alternatives would help build support.
What would help city leaders is for the public to discuss and consider alternative designs along with project and operations and maintenance costs. For instance, the costs of maintaining the current library vs establishing branches throughout the city vs standalone event centers and the Boise Arts and History Center. It seems as if the public is being asked to consider a yes or no answer to a design that may or not be modified further. A cost benefit analysis that considers a variety of alternatives would help build support.
Supported a comment by Scott K. on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Scott K.
I'd like to see a "going back to basics" approach to the library. We should ask ourselves is this a library that we're building, or a building complex that happens to incorporate two separate buildings that may or may not be necessary? It's a completely different situation when say a private developer like Gardner builds a facility that incorporates public elements like a transit center. When a city takes the lead, questions arise as to whether this is the most cost effective way to attain a goal. Do we need another event center given existing and planned venues? Does the Boise Arts and History department need its own building? Don't get me wrong I support culture, the arts, history, as well as, libraries, but I would be hesitant to help support and fund a complex that seems more than the simple task of modernizing a place to do research and find research materials and archives.
I'd like to see a "going back to basics" approach to the library. We should ask ourselves is this a library that we're building, or a building complex that happens to incorporate two separate buildings that may or may not be necessary? It's a completely different situation when say a private developer like Gardner builds a facility that incorporates public elements like a transit center. When a city takes the lead, questions arise as to whether this is the most cost effective way to attain a goal. Do we need another event center given existing and planned venues? Does the Boise Arts and History department need its own building? Don't get me wrong I support culture, the arts, history, as well as, libraries, but I would be hesitant to help support and fund a complex that seems more than the simple task of modernizing a place to do research and find research materials and archives.
Supported a comment by Scott K. on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Scott K.
First of all, we are not Salt Lake City, nor should we try to be. There is a lot of wasted space and a lot of concrete in the proposed designs. I'm not sure I would travel by foot, car or bike to a building that doesn't fit in well with its surrounding environment and seems to wall itself off from what makes Boise so nice - 8th street, the river, and views of the Statehouse, Depot, and Foothills.
First of all, we are not Salt Lake City, nor should we try to be. There is a lot of wasted space and a lot of concrete in the proposed designs. I'm not sure I would travel by foot, car or bike to a building that doesn't fit in well with its surrounding environment and seems to wall itself off from what makes Boise so nice - 8th street, the river, and views of the Statehouse, Depot, and Foothills.
Supported a comment by Kay Hummel on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Kay Hummel
Please redesign the site plan with more simplicity to meet customers’ true needs. Substantially downsize the northern entrance plaza along River Street and move the building north. A smaller plaza would allow retention of The Cabin, which plays a vital role in the cultural district. The proposed 20,000 sq.ft. outdoor plaza is not useable at least 7 months of the year, whereas other Library functions are needed year-round. There is adequate green space with the 2 rooftop outdoor gardens and other open space indicated on the west side. While the design is initially exciting, I urge reconsideration of truly necessary library functions vs. some community “priorities” listed. For example, a “connection with the River” does not merit top priority when there is abundant access to the Boise River at many nearby locations. Our Library’s two highest functions are library services and space for the Arts and History Dept. Focus on these functions, and proper design will follow. Likewise, I am unclear on the necessity for ‘maker spaces.’ Given the under utilization of Jump’s maker spaces, this is a head scratcher. Adequate parking and auditorium space are the next highest functions that must be designed for, again more vital year-round than a cement-clad plaza (which also will be too hot in two summer months, essentially a baking, reflecting desert). Citizens are not excited about paying for more outdoor gathering spaces when the Downtown core provides ample outdoor sites nearby – Julia Davis, Ann Morrison, the Grove Plaza, and Jump.
Please redesign the site plan with more simplicity to meet customers’ true needs. Substantially downsize the northern entrance plaza along River Street and move the building north. A smaller plaza would allow retention of The Cabin, which plays a vital role in the cultural district. The proposed 20,000 sq.ft. outdoor plaza is not useable at least 7 months of the year, whereas other Library functions are needed year-round. There is adequate green space with the 2 rooftop outdoor gardens and other open space indicated on the west side. While the design is initially exciting, I urge reconsideration of truly necessary library functions vs. some community “priorities” listed. For example, a “connection with the River” does not merit top priority when there is abundant access to the Boise River at many nearby locations. Our Library’s two highest functions are library services and space for the Arts and History Dept. Focus on these functions, and proper design will follow. Likewise, I am unclear on the necessity for ‘maker spaces.’ Given the under utilization of Jump’s maker spaces, this is a head scratcher. Adequate parking and auditorium space are the next highest functions that must be designed for, again more vital year-round than a cement-clad plaza (which also will be too hot in two summer months, essentially a baking, reflecting desert). Citizens are not excited about paying for more outdoor gathering spaces when the Downtown core provides ample outdoor sites nearby – Julia Davis, Ann Morrison, the Grove Plaza, and Jump.
Supported a comment by Pamela B. on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Pamela B.
There need to be housing options in this city. Where do we put the homeless if current renters who are looking are being asked to make 3 times the cost of rent?
There need to be housing options in this city. Where do we put the homeless if current renters who are looking are being asked to make 3 times the cost of rent?
Supported a comment by Ule Gould on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Ule Gould
I really like the re-use of exiting buildings like Ustick and Collister. We do not need a fancy new building.
I really like the re-use of exiting buildings like Ustick and Collister. We do not need a fancy new building.
Supported a comment by Ule Gould on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Ule Gould
Less iconic, more modest
Less iconic, more modest
Supported a comment by David Klinger on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
David Klinger
The new design respects neither the Greenbelt not the Boise River. Its massive, overbearing face overwhelms, rather than complements, its southerly riverfront. A south-facing, four-story glass walled-atrium is setting up a huge temperature control problem — in summer, that facade will be broiling (something that most Boiseans understand, but that maybe Massachusetts architects don’t). A plate-glass, walled front opposite a river corridor heavily used by waterfowl and songbirds has the potential to become a “killing machine” for birds, especially considering how the new library’s rooftop gardens will further lure birds and set up the very real possibility of needless bird strikes, subjecting the City of Boise to possible violation of Federal and state wildlife laws when it is possible to re-orient the new structure to diminish or eliminate such a deficiency. Did the architect spend a morning sitting on the front lawn of “The Cabin” studying the heavy movement of geese, ducks, raptors, and songbirds between the river and Julia Davis Park? If so, he would have understood that plate glass facades are going to create problems.
The new design respects neither the Greenbelt not the Boise River. Its massive, overbearing face overwhelms, rather than complements, its southerly riverfront. A south-facing, four-story glass walled-atrium is setting up a huge temperature control problem — in summer, that facade will be broiling (something that most Boiseans understand, but that maybe Massachusetts architects don’t). A plate-glass, walled front opposite a river corridor heavily used by waterfowl and songbirds has the potential to become a “killing machine” for birds, especially considering how the new library’s rooftop gardens will further lure birds and set up the very real possibility of needless bird strikes, subjecting the City of Boise to possible violation of Federal and state wildlife laws when it is possible to re-orient the new structure to diminish or eliminate such a deficiency. Did the architect spend a morning sitting on the front lawn of “The Cabin” studying the heavy movement of geese, ducks, raptors, and songbirds between the river and Julia Davis Park? If so, he would have understood that plate glass facades are going to create problems.
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Diane Plastino Graves
It is absolutely unacceptable that the cabin be moved to another location. And moving it to that string of orphaned buildings in Julia Davis Park is beyond unacceptable. What this building is, and where it is are the same thing. I agree with every comment in the Idaho Statesman editorial of July 22nd.
It is absolutely unacceptable that the cabin be moved to another location. And moving it to that string of orphaned buildings in Julia Davis Park is beyond unacceptable. What this building is, and where it is are the same thing. I agree with every comment in the Idaho Statesman editorial of July 22nd.
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Diane Plastino Graves
It lords over the river. The glass and concrete are very stern, and are the antithesis of the lush, welcoming riparian environment. Can you imagine how hot that entrance courtyard will be during our routine 95+ degree days?
It lords over the river. The glass and concrete are very stern, and are the antithesis of the lush, welcoming riparian environment. Can you imagine how hot that entrance courtyard will be during our routine 95+ degree days?
Commented on Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
One of the many reasons that the South 8th Street / Warehouse District needs to be extended all the way to the river.
Supported a comment by Diane Plastino Graves on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Diane Plastino Graves
One of the unconfirmed reports I have heard is that the City is eyeing the block of interesting old buildings on South 8th, where the Foothills School is now, for a parking garage. So tearing down more interesting, historic buildings that give us a sense of place in trade for perhaps another cinderblock parking garage like the one the City egregiously allowed Gardner to build on Front and 12th? (That is a whole other topic...) That doubles the trauma, when considering the unacceptable loss of the Cabin.
One of the unconfirmed reports I have heard is that the City is eyeing the block of interesting old buildings on South 8th, where the Foothills School is now, for a parking garage. So tearing down more interesting, historic buildings that give us a sense of place in trade for perhaps another cinderblock parking garage like the one the City egregiously allowed Gardner to build on Front and 12th? (That is a whole other topic...) That doubles the trauma, when considering the unacceptable loss of the Cabin.
Commented on Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Additional comments is not open for comments. The survey links are not allowing people to submit feedback.
As a high-use patron, I have been shocked at the lack of public input or outreach for this project, starting with the Visioning Workshops. The stated goals were created by “the project steering committee” according to the available executive summary – what does being an iconic gateway, a destination for out-of-towners, or incorporating the River have to do with a library? How many people were included in these workshops from diverse populations, non-English speakers, homeless coalition, refugee community, varying accessibility needs, etc.?
There have been no signs in the libraries, no outreach other than Facebook and the main web site. Regular patrons have no knowledge of the proposed plan, much less the July open houses. The open house at the main library was on a Friday evening, during a heavy vacation month, and 1 ½ of the 2 hour period was after the library had closed. This process needs to slow down: offer visioning workshops that do not start with a presentation of the proposed space based on 2014 and earlier data; host the open house series once per week over a series of weeks; leave the survey link open at least one month; have large posters with the plan, open house dates, and survey links at the entrance of each library branch.
Commented on Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Books, free use of any meeting or event spaces to any patron or community group, community outreach to underserved community groups, accessibility for all as determined by those with accessibility needs.
Does this site plan open access to Boise State University across the river and the Cultural District within or near 8th Street?
Not any more than it already is, and possibly less with the hardscaping of 8th Street. The Cultural District is also the Historic Warehouse District, yet this plan demolishes the Salt Lake Hardware Company Warehouse and 45 years of library history and culture.
Commented on Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
No
Commented on Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Not any more than it already is; the site is next to the River and easily accessed by the Greenbelt. This has nothing to do with a library. I go to the Library for books and programming, not to look at the River or Greenbelt.
Commented on Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Books, online content, programming.
Commented on Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Significantly less than the 2-3 times per week that I use the library now, if at all. This proposed campus lacks Boise history, character, and identity; and looks unwelcoming in its grandeur. I go to the main library for books, programming, friendly staff, and its unique spaces (the storywell, curved book shelves, windows overlooking staff desks topped with generations of storybook characters, central stairwell, and on); I am not looking for a Barnes & Noble shopping experience or views of the river.
Commented on Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
The Cabin remain in its place, and the Salt Lake Hardware Company Warehouse renovated. Expand the Historic Warehouse / South 8th Street District all the way to the River. Invest in Boise’s neighborhoods by creating permanent structures for branch libraries, and increase the size of the library’s collection by establishing more branch libraries – spreading resources and access across the city rather than in one central location. If Arts & History is in need of a retail storefront, enter into a long-term lease agreement with a vacant storefront downtown that can be self-supported through sales.
I would like to see multiple site plans, including designs from local architects; and the fast-paced, strict timeline slowed down to allow for substantial public input. The allocation of tax-supported funding, which comprises 80% of the budget, should be presented to the public to vote on in the form of a ballot initiative.
Additionally, I would like to see a detailed breakdown of the $80-85 million proposed budget including how much has already been spent; costs of renovation versus demolition; full disclosure of the architectural services selection process including financials; and transparent and complete breakdown of funding (including clarification of the $46.8 million from Tax Support and $22.2 million from Partnerships/Donations listed on p. 187 of the FY2019 City Budget). In the concept presentation to City Council in December 2017, a line item of $4.1 million for renovation of the existing warehouse was included as part of an overall proposed budget of $63.7 million.
Commented on Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
No
Commented on Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Inclusion of the Arts & History Department. That said, I am opposed to this proposed plan – it is at too high a cost, out of character for the area, and needlessy sacrifices local history and a functioning and useable public building. The perceived need for event space has been fulfilled with the opening of JUMP, completion of the Boise Centre and State History Museum expansions, and new downtown hotels. This project and budget are poor timing in the midst of serious immediate needs for housing and transit. The State History Museum project is a great example of what could be done on the library campus – a modest $17 million budget raised over a period of years, incorporating the original structure, and utilizing local materials. It is not characteristic of Boise, and is out of scale for the lot and area. A modern and innovative design would find a way to mesh the history of Boise, our warehouse district, and 45 years of library history by including The Cabin and the Salt Lake Hardware Company building. The current library represents what is possible through adaptive reuse; demolishing a functional public building is not green or sustainable. Preservation of local history and culture should be paramount to inclusion of the Arts & History department in the campus. We have iconic gateways in the Boise Depot and State Capitol buildings, and the current library is iconic and well-known for it’s “!” – the type of little touch that makes Boise unique.
Commented on Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Inclusion of the Arts & History Department. That said, I am opposed to this proposed plan – it is at too high a cost, out of character for the area, and needlessy sacrifices local history and a functioning and useable public building. The perceived need for event space has been fulfilled with the opening of JUMP, completion of the Boise Centre and State History Museum expansions, and new downtown hotel event spaces. It is poor timing to present this project and budget in the midst of unprecedented growth and the serious immediate needs for housing and transit. The State History Museum project is a great example of what could be done on the library campus – a modest $17 million budget raised over a period of years, incorporating the original structure, and utilizing local materials.
Supported a comment by Sonja Vogt on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Sonja Vogt
This building is first and foremost a library. So the space for the library should be the main focus. The rooftop gardens proposed for the Center for Arts & History and Event Space are similar to those seen in downtown Portland. The gardens are very attractive, as long as they do not add a great deal of structural cost. I am always in favor of greenery incorporated into urban environments. Thinking about blending into the natural environment more thought should to be put into the south facing wall of windows. The impact on wildlife, and reflection of light and heat into the Greenbelt area and the adjoining street would be detrimental.
This building is first and foremost a library. So the space for the library should be the main focus. The rooftop gardens proposed for the Center for Arts & History and Event Space are similar to those seen in downtown Portland. The gardens are very attractive, as long as they do not add a great deal of structural cost. I am always in favor of greenery incorporated into urban environments. Thinking about blending into the natural environment more thought should to be put into the south facing wall of windows. The impact on wildlife, and reflection of light and heat into the Greenbelt area and the adjoining street would be detrimental.
Supported a comment by Sonja Vogt on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Sonja Vogt
There is no choice of designs. It appears to me that this is the only building concept being discussed. I would like to see other design concepts.
There is no choice of designs. It appears to me that this is the only building concept being discussed. I would like to see other design concepts.
Supported a comment by Chryssa Rich on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Chryssa Rich
No, I think the wall of windows will kill too many birds.
No, I think the wall of windows will kill too many birds.
Commented on Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
The 40-50 spaces look to be in the SW corner between Anne Frank Memoral and the Biomark building
Supported a comment by George Targee on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
George Targee
I would like to see more thought given to making the library a more practical, functional place / service. I would like less thought and money given to it's beautiful design.
I would like to see more thought given to making the library a more practical, functional place / service. I would like less thought and money given to it's beautiful design.
Commented on Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
I would like to see a detailed breakdown of the $85 million proposed budget including how much has already been spent on the project; costs of renovation versus demolition; full disclosure of the architectural services selection process including financials; and transparent and complete breakdown of funding (including clarification of the $46.8 million from Tax Support and $22.2 million from Partnerships/Donations listed on p. 187 of the FY2019 City Budget). In the concept presentation to City Council in December 2017, a line item of $4.1 million for renovation of the existing warehouse was included as part of an overall proposed budget of $63.7 million that included $10.5 million for a parking garage and $10.7 million for event space & equipment. Nothing was mentioned about The Cabin at that point. How did that jump to complete demolition and an $80-85 million budget plus a separately funded parking garage?
Supported a comment by J Crowe on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
J Crowe
this building is beautiful but can but can Boise/Boise citizens afford it? On top of the current projected costs, has the city considered the cost of affordable parking for citizens? Has the city considered projected maintenance/utility costs for a south facing wall of windows in our desert climate? And has the City considered the cost of moving the Cabin which is all about the history of our community?
this building is beautiful but can but can Boise/Boise citizens afford it? On top of the current projected costs, has the city considered the cost of affordable parking for citizens? Has the city considered projected maintenance/utility costs for a south facing wall of windows in our desert climate? And has the City considered the cost of moving the Cabin which is all about the history of our community?
Supported a comment by Kathy Kustra on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Kathy Kustra
I'm greatly disappointed you didn't figure out a way to incorporate The Cabin in its original location into this design or campus. This new building should not forget our history.
I'm greatly disappointed you didn't figure out a way to incorporate The Cabin in its original location into this design or campus. This new building should not forget our history.
Commented on Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
This is really important feedback considering this design is from the same architect. I too love our traditional library that is not trying to be an events center, which we already have numerous of nearby - JUMP, the Grove, the Museums, BCT, not to mention outdoor spaces.
Supported a comment by Jamie Kaiser on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Jamie Kaiser
I am excited that this proposal would likely mean a more bulked up collection of books. That being said, I am a library super user and when I lived in Salt Lake City I rarely used the library because its design was inefficient. I fear this library suffers from the same flaws. I was so excited when I moved to Boise and was able to experience a traditional library that wasn’t masquerading as an events center.
I am excited that this proposal would likely mean a more bulked up collection of books. That being said, I am a library super user and when I lived in Salt Lake City I rarely used the library because its design was inefficient. I fear this library suffers from the same flaws. I was so excited when I moved to Boise and was able to experience a traditional library that wasn’t masquerading as an events center.
Supported a comment by Jamie Kaiser on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Jamie Kaiser
I already visit weekly. Honestly this new building would cause me to cut down on visits.
I already visit weekly. Honestly this new building would cause me to cut down on visits.
Supported a comment by Jamie Kaiser on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Jamie Kaiser
I would like to see a design that is less modern and that fits in better with the aesthetic of Boise.
I would like to see a design that is less modern and that fits in better with the aesthetic of Boise.
Supported a comment by Shauna Swank on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Shauna Swank
I'd like to see the log cabin incorporated. Boise too often sacrifices the past on the alter of the now believing it's buying the future.
I'd like to see the log cabin incorporated. Boise too often sacrifices the past on the alter of the now believing it's buying the future.
Supported a comment by Thomas K. on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Thomas K.
Also, We need to ensure that the Cabin stays there as it is a historical landmark.
Also, We need to ensure that the Cabin stays there as it is a historical landmark.
Supported a comment by Carole Whiteleather on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Carole Whiteleather
Forgot to explain my reasons regarding The Cabin. As the former Director of Education for The Cabin, I must stress the importance of the location for one of the most dynamic programs, Summer Writing Camps. Students need the access to nature, the museums, zoo and downtown for the various writing assignments and camps in which they participate. When we re-designed the camps from a small three week window to a full summer of offerings, many more students have enjoyed this opportunity. Moving The Cabin could be detrimental to this wonderful experience for kids. Thank you for your consideration of my comments.
Forgot to explain my reasons regarding The Cabin. As the former Director of Education for The Cabin, I must stress the importance of the location for one of the most dynamic programs, Summer Writing Camps. Students need the access to nature, the museums, zoo and downtown for the various writing assignments and camps in which they participate. When we re-designed the camps from a small three week window to a full summer of offerings, many more students have enjoyed this opportunity. Moving The Cabin could be detrimental to this wonderful experience for kids. Thank you for your consideration of my comments.
Supported a comment by R Lange on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
R Lange
Incorporate the historic log cabin into the new history center. Provide interpretive information about the log cabin; the site, it's original purpose and scope within state history and economy. Create a history of logging and use of wood products within Idaho as first new program for the history center.
Incorporate the historic log cabin into the new history center. Provide interpretive information about the log cabin; the site, it's original purpose and scope within state history and economy. Create a history of logging and use of wood products within Idaho as first new program for the history center.
Supported a comment by Pamela B. on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Pamela B.
Book club. Sharing of music. More on Boise and Treasure Valley history such as The Cabin. More language classes, the city is diversifying and it is important to be able to communicate with your neighbors. Children's programs.
Book club. Sharing of music. More on Boise and Treasure Valley history such as The Cabin. More language classes, the city is diversifying and it is important to be able to communicate with your neighbors. Children's programs.
Supported a comment by Maria Kauffman on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Maria Kauffman
This structure is beautiful but It seems firm has won out over function.I’ve taken my 5.5yo to the library every week since she was an infant. I also recently had knee surgery and have a new awareness of how hard simple errands have become. Reducing onsite parking by 75% and moving parking further away from the library reduces the convenience of the library dramatically and I feel would deter many people from using the main library. I also don’t understand the emphasis on the arts and culture areas. Adding a theater will compound the parking issue. I agree that art should be incorporated into the library, but is a gallery the best use of space when BAM is across the street? Is a theater necessary when JUMP is right around the corner? One of the best features of the main library is the drive through book drop. Will this feature be retained? If you eliminate it are you considering city wide drop of points? I am perplexed the designer simply ignored The Cabin and didn’t incorporate it into the design. Is it necessary to have a large lounging area around the library and on the roof? It feels like overkill and an egregious waste of potential parking and makes it harder for people with disabilities to reach the door. I love that Boise is becoming more cosmopolitan and an upgraded library is overdue. But this library feels unnecessarily extravagant and loses the main function in all the excess.
This structure is beautiful but It seems firm has won out over function.I’ve taken my 5.5yo to the library every week since she was an infant. I also recently had knee surgery and have a new awareness of how hard simple errands have become. Reducing onsite parking by 75% and moving parking further away from the library reduces the convenience of the library dramatically and I feel would deter many people from using the main library. I also don’t understand the emphasis on the arts and culture areas. Adding a theater will compound the parking issue. I agree that art should be incorporated into the library, but is a gallery the best use of space when BAM is across the street? Is a theater necessary when JUMP is right around the corner? One of the best features of the main library is the drive through book drop. Will this feature be retained? If you eliminate it are you considering city wide drop of points? I am perplexed the designer simply ignored The Cabin and didn’t incorporate it into the design. Is it necessary to have a large lounging area around the library and on the roof? It feels like overkill and an egregious waste of potential parking and makes it harder for people with disabilities to reach the door. I love that Boise is becoming more cosmopolitan and an upgraded library is overdue. But this library feels unnecessarily extravagant and loses the main function in all the excess.
Supported a comment by Brooke O. on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Brooke O.
too flashy and does not compliment the environment or other buildings nearby.
too flashy and does not compliment the environment or other buildings nearby.
Supported a comment by Brooke O. on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Brooke O.
more shade, more trees, less windows/reflection and a more thoughtful timeless design
more shade, more trees, less windows/reflection and a more thoughtful timeless design
Supported a comment by Brooke O. on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Brooke O.
absolutely not. it looks like JUMP or the EMP in Seattle. it is not complimentary
absolutely not. it looks like JUMP or the EMP in Seattle. it is not complimentary
Supported a comment by Theresa M on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Theresa M
It is too big. Do NOT move The Cabin. That is an important and living part of the City’s history and fabric.
It is too big. Do NOT move The Cabin. That is an important and living part of the City’s history and fabric.
Supported a comment by Jamie Kaiser on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Jamie Kaiser
The only thing from a library that I want is a good collection of books. We literally do not have a good, comprehensive biography of former president Martin Van Buren. I would much rather Boise spend its money on that then another event center pretending to be a library.
The only thing from a library that I want is a good collection of books. We literally do not have a good, comprehensive biography of former president Martin Van Buren. I would much rather Boise spend its money on that then another event center pretending to be a library.
Commented on Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
The current library is a piece of Warehouse District history, even though it falls outside of the protection of the Historic Warehouse / South 8th Street Historic District, and as such it would be terrible to see it demolished. If a new central library is needed, why not closer to the Mall area where it would be more central for Boise residents, and the downtown library could become a branch library? Or just more branch libraries throughout the city? I really like your idea of the Armory for Arts & History and event space. Then the Fort Boise Community Center could be updated and that area would serve as a community gathering space.
Supported a comment by scott tagg on
Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
scott tagg
Arts and history needs their own location, and we need a city of Boise museum. Boise Armory has been vacant for too long. Plus there should be enough room and parking for a 300 seat venue.
Arts and history needs their own location, and we need a city of Boise museum. Boise Armory has been vacant for too long. Plus there should be enough room and parking for a 300 seat venue.
Followed Main Library Campus
3 years, 11 months ago
Thomas, you make a good point about the design. I was appalled that the city had not seemingly had a plan for The Cabin until after a public outcry. The Cabin was informed the day before the plan was unveiled, then the city was 50% under on the expense of moving. I would guess they were simply going to raze the building. The city has been asked about library patrons having to pay for parking, they "hope" the first two hours will be free. There are a number of disadvantaged (not necessarily homeless) people who have vehicles and spend a good bit of time at the library, they can't afford parking,